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TheTenthDoc
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ticklishmusic
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crms
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On January 10 2018 04:51 brian wrote: point taken, though maricopa county is the largest county in AZ, at over half the states population. I've lived in AZ my entire life and I don't believe Joe can win anymore, especially in a Senate race. If he some how gets the GOP nomination, I think dems should fully fund that race. I think it'd be quiet a steal for democrats. | ||
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Introvert
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ticklishmusic
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 10 2018 03:37 Danglars wrote: Spicy take. 25th amendment secretly a coup provision if you don't like the personality of voter's choice. Thanks for exposing all this pretense that it's something more that calls for the 25th amendment to be used. If you think that man is mentally fit to be commander in chief I question your concern for the country's security. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:03 ticklishmusic wrote: https://twitter.com/jwpetersnyt/status/950834778261028864 And the early 20s redhats will yell about this all being a play lol | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 10 2018 04:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Just came across this in the transcript, surprised it isn't front page news right now. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:03 ticklishmusic wrote: https://twitter.com/jwpetersnyt/status/950834778261028864 There's a story about it on Breitbart. A lot of people in the comments section aren't too nice to Bannon and his "betrayal of MAGA." Pretty funny. | ||
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hunts
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Mohdoo
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On January 10 2018 06:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote: There's a story about it on Breitbart. A lot of people in the comments section aren't too nice to Bannon and his "betrayal of MAGA." Pretty funny. The entire idea of Bannon not being alt-right enough for the modern political climate is just hilarious. We are watching the birthing stages of a legitimately extremist wing of our country. I don't think we are quite at that point yet, but it is fascinating to see how once a group is mildly racidalized, it can become self-sustaining. It's just another example of the same thing we see in fringe groups within BLM. If you find a group of people who feel they've been walked all over and forgotten, then give them a message that makes them feel powerful, they'll take that shit to an extreme you never thought of. Once again, humanity cleaning up after the weak and forgotten. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On January 10 2018 05:53 Introvert wrote: If he gets any votes at all he might take from Kelli Ward which would help someone with less baggage slip on through. I assume Ward is the front runner. I think that Arpaio would beat Chemtrail Kelli if he campaigns hard and is serious about actually running. Arpaio has name recognition on a level that she doesn't and a lot of conservatives are attracted to Arpaio's image as law-and-order and tough on on immigration. (Yes, I know that Arpaio has violated court orders against him. I'm not talking about his actions, I'm talking about his image.) I can definitely see Arpaio winning the R primary. I cannot see him ever winning a Senate seat. Arizona is regarded as a fairly purple state, and Democrats have won in super red states like Alabama in 2017 special elections. So the national environment is bad for him, and Arpaio's closeness to Trump means that Arpaio will be strongly affected by that national environment in a general election. Plus, a figure as polarizing as Arpaio is bound to drive turnout from Democrat voters who are voting for "not Arpaio." There is just no way that he wins the general. tl;dr: Arpaio is quite possibly going to be Arizona's Roy Moore, if he seriously tries to get elected. Definitely going to follow in Roy Moore's footsteps if he wins the R primary. | ||
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Danglars
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On January 10 2018 06:05 Doodsmack wrote: If you think that man is mentally fit to be commander in chief I question your concern for the country's security. The question is whether the 25th amendment gives you a valid recourse, not about temperament or personality aspects. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:31 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I think that Arpaio would beat Chemtrail Kelli if he campaigns hard and is serious about actually running. Arpaio has name recognition on a level that she doesn't and a lot of conservatives are attracted to Arpaio's image as law-and-order and tough on on immigration. (Yes, I know that Arpaio has violated court orders against him. I'm not talking about his actions, I'm talking about his image.) I can definitely see Arpaio winning the R primary. I cannot see him ever winning a Senate seat. Arizona is regarded as a fairly purple state, and Democrats have won in super red states like Alabama in 2017 special elections. So the national environment is bad for him, and Arpaio's closeness to Trump means that Arpaio will be strongly affected by that national environment in a general election. Plus, a figure as polarizing as Arpaio is bound to drive turnout from Democrat voters who are voting for "not Arpaio." There is just no way that he wins the general. tl;dr: Arpaio is quite possibly going to be Arizona's Roy Moore, if he seriously tries to get elected. Definitely going to follow in Roy Moore's footsteps if he wins the R primary. Everything depends on if Trump gets behind Arpaio or not. If Trump doesn't, I think Arpaio is hosed. Kinda begs the question "Wait, why did you pardon him but don't support him for senator?" | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On January 10 2018 06:34 Mohdoo wrote: Everything depends on if Trump gets behind Arpaio or not. If Trump doesn't, I think Arpaio is hosed. Kinda begs the question "Wait, why did you pardon him but don't support him for senator?" Trump got behind Roy Moore too. Didn't work out so well. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:23 Mohdoo wrote: The entire idea of Bannon not being alt-right enough for the modern political climate is just hilarious. We are watching the birthing stages of a legitimately extremist wing of our country. I don't think we are quite at that point yet, but it is fascinating to see how once a group is mildly racidalized, it can become self-sustaining. It's just another example of the same thing we see in fringe groups within BLM. If you find a group of people who feel they've been walked all over and forgotten, then give them a message that makes them feel powerful, they'll take that shit to an extreme you never thought of. Once again, humanity cleaning up after the weak and forgotten. He’s burned too many bridges. It’s not really about his political views, but about him as the scion of a brand of political views. The kind of alt-right factions that became more vocal during 2016 still represent a new movement without clear leaders (maybe Trump, but Trump doesn’t agree with Trump) or manifestos. I’m watching with interest to see if it dies like BLM. | ||
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Plansix
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/08/27/joe-arpaio-is-neither-a-conservative-nor-a-hero/?utm_term=.69ad47328d07 They didn’t find any weapons in the burned down house either. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2656 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:37 Danglars wrote: He’s burned too many bridges. It’s not really about his political views, but about him as the scion of a brand of political views. The kind of alt-right factions that became more vocal during 2016 is still a new movement without clear leaders (maybe Trump, but Trump doesn’t agree with Trump) or manifestos. I’m watching with interest to see if it dies like BLM. What factions are you talking about? All of the factions that I can think of do have clear, recognizable leaders. That's part of what gives them influence and makes them a faction. What do you mean by "Trump doesn't agree with Trump?" | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 10 2018 06:41 TheLordofAwesome wrote: What factions are you talking about? All of the factions that I can think of do have clear, recognizable leaders. That's part of what gives them influence and makes them a faction. What do you mean by "Trump doesn't agree with Trump?" Disaffected conservatives, actual white nationalists (alt-Reich), trade protectionists, America-first foreign policy, isolationists, cultural reactionaries, and the list goes on. Some overlap. Some are from the politically disinterested except for dissatisfaction with the status quo. Ever hear of Trump changing on a previous position? | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On January 10 2018 06:23 Mohdoo wrote: The entire idea of Bannon not being alt-right enough for the modern political climate is just hilarious. We are watching the birthing stages of a legitimately extremist wing of our country. I don't think we are quite at that point yet, but it is fascinating to see how once a group is mildly racidalized, it can become self-sustaining. It's just another example of the same thing we see in fringe groups within BLM. If you find a group of people who feel they've been walked all over and forgotten, then give them a message that makes them feel powerful, they'll take that shit to an extreme you never thought of. Once again, humanity cleaning up after the weak and forgotten. I'm going to go with no. What fringe groups within BLM are you even talking about? I guess if we go with Danglars there is no BLM anymore so it should be past tense. I honestly don't see any reason to do what you're doing in that paragraph. | ||
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