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On December 15 2017 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 01:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Bravo. I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.
We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.
This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.
But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.
What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.
This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.
It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s. Source I agree that stories like these- of hardworking young people who are stuck with dead end jobs or dead end degrees or mountains of well-intentioned debt and barely being able to skate by month after month without being able to seriously save money for a better tomorrow- are all too common with the Millennial generation. Now, how do we- as a society- fix this? I would assume that a good number of people disagree with the very premise of my question- that the community is under no obligation to help out those who are in need (i.e., let them pick themselves up by their bootstraps), but many of us wish to help. What are some steps we can take if we're actually interested in addressing this problem and trying to help our fellow American citizens? A more thorough "income based repayment" calculation system. I pay $900/month in student loans. My rent is $1600/month. It's a bummer.
What city do you live in, if you don't mind me asking?
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On December 15 2017 02:39 mozoku wrote:
Under the ACA, you don't have to necessarily file bankruptcy to have medical bills forgiven if you're low-income.
By the way, we're talking like .2% of millennials here. This is hardly what's holding them back.
You really need to listen to people more and dismiss them less. This is coming from someone who lived through the crisis of how to pay for staggering medical bills that may not have been covered by state insurance, none of this is that easy or guaranteed. And we were not low income. We owned a house and only one of us was between jobs. Also, medical expenses are still a major worry in my household and we are both insured.
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On December 15 2017 02:49 mozoku wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On December 15 2017 01:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Bravo. I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.
We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.
This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.
But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.
What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.
This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.
It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s. Source I agree that stories like these- of hardworking young people who are stuck with dead end jobs or dead end degrees or mountains of well-intentioned debt and barely being able to skate by month after month without being able to seriously save money for a better tomorrow- are all too common with the Millennial generation. Now, how do we- as a society- fix this? I would assume that a good number of people disagree with the very premise of my question- that the community is under no obligation to help out those who are in need (i.e., let them pick themselves up by their bootstraps), but many of us wish to help. What are some steps we can take if we're actually interested in addressing this problem and trying to help our fellow American citizens? A more thorough "income based repayment" calculation system. I pay $900/month in student loans. My rent is $1600/month. It's a bummer. What city do you live in, if you don't mind me asking?
Portland Oregon
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Meanwhile at the FCC meeting about Net Neutrality
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They want to make sure that the public can see the vote? Or did they get a bomb threat? I find both equally likely.
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On December 15 2017 02:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On December 15 2017 01:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Bravo. I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.
We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.
This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.
But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.
What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.
This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.
It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s. Source I agree that stories like these- of hardworking young people who are stuck with dead end jobs or dead end degrees or mountains of well-intentioned debt and barely being able to skate by month after month without being able to seriously save money for a better tomorrow- are all too common with the Millennial generation. Now, how do we- as a society- fix this? I would assume that a good number of people disagree with the very premise of my question- that the community is under no obligation to help out those who are in need (i.e., let them pick themselves up by their bootstraps), but many of us wish to help. What are some steps we can take if we're actually interested in addressing this problem and trying to help our fellow American citizens? A more thorough "income based repayment" calculation system. I pay $900/month in student loans. My rent is $1600/month. It's a bummer. I paid my loans off like 3 years ago. Our quality of life improved greatly. But we are screwed if our leaders another generation of kids can survive in an economy that requires +40K in student loans just to get basic jobs skills. The boomer's economy was powered by cheap job training.
That is why I decided to come to Hong Kong for university. The universities are pretty good and cheap and my entire tuition was covered by a single scholarship. The tuition for international students is 4 times higher than locals, but its still only 10,000 USD a year.
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On December 15 2017 02:57 Plansix wrote:
They want to make sure that the public can see the vote? Or did they get a bomb threat? I find both equally likely.
Theres K9 unit inside the meeting room. So most likely a bomb threat.
Hearing resuming soon though.
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On December 15 2017 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 02:07 IyMoon wrote:On December 15 2017 02:06 mozoku wrote:On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Bravo. I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.
We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.
This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.
But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.
What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.
This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.
It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s. Source Good Lord. I'm not sure he can pander more to his audience if he was assigned to (which he probably was). He summed up life for millions of people pretty much perfectly, but sure I guess you could say he was pandering Articulating the feelings others have in a convincing manner is now pandering. We used to call it good writing or even poetry, depending on form. But those days are gone. Now if someone evokes the worries and fears of a group, they are pandering to that group and affirming them. Writing is no longer a lens for us to understand perspectives of others. Edit: I like that Moore cites school prayer and how it should return to schools. Because nothing makes Non-Christians easier to spot than a good round of prayer 180+ days a year. Then the kids can adopt the classic maneuver of attacking the religious minority.
Praying in public school (or even recreationally reading a religious text) isn't even banned. Public schools making those things mandatory to further a specific religious agenda, however, is. If he were better informed, maybe he'd have fewer things to complain about.
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I hope everyone is read to have the prices on all their streaming services go up, facebook to be faster than any other website and everything that isn't run by a billion dollar company to load like shit.
On December 15 2017 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 02:12 Plansix wrote:On December 15 2017 02:07 IyMoon wrote:On December 15 2017 02:06 mozoku wrote:On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Bravo. I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.
We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.
This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.
But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.
What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.
This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.
It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s. Source Good Lord. I'm not sure he can pander more to his audience if he was assigned to (which he probably was). He summed up life for millions of people pretty much perfectly, but sure I guess you could say he was pandering Articulating the feelings others have in a convincing manner is now pandering. We used to call it good writing or even poetry, depending on form. But those days are gone. Now if someone evokes the worries and fears of a group, they are pandering to that group and affirming them. Writing is no longer a lens for us to understand perspectives of others. Edit: I like that Moore cites school prayer and how it should return to schools. Because nothing makes Non-Christians easier to spot than a good round of prayer 180+ days a year. Then the kids can adopt the classic maneuver of attacking the religious minority. Praying in public school (or even recreationally reading a religious text) isn't even banned. Public schools making those things mandatory to further a specific religious agenda, however, is. If he were better informed, maybe he'd have fewer things to complain about.
He wants it to be mandatory, of course. Because it is illegal for kids not to go to school, so we should also force them to take part in prayer while they are there.
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Plansix: Great, now show me the data that demonstrates how your problem is a structural one that holding back millennials as the article implies.
Mohdoo: That sounds reasonable. The point I was going to make is that $1600 is a luxury 1br in a lot of places. It would have been in downtown Chicago, for example, and there's certainly many jobs there for college educated folks... Yet it's population is declining. You're here so I'm willing to bet $1600 is relatively affordable to you, but there's plenty of cheaper cities available for those can't afford Portland.
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On December 15 2017 02:59 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 02:57 Plansix wrote:
They want to make sure that the public can see the vote? Or did they get a bomb threat? I find both equally likely. Theres K9 unit inside the meeting room. So most likely a bomb threat. Hearing resuming soon though.
I heard there was information that the bomb threat wasn't real, but it didn't pay enough to get to the meeting room quickly.
Plansix: Great, now show me the data that demonstrates how your problem is a structural one that holding back millennials as the article implies.
The oldest millennials are 35. How old do you think people are before they have kids?
This is a bit old: http://news.gallup.com/poll/182348/uninsured-rate-dips-first-quarter.aspx But it shows ~20% of people in the age group uninsured. Coverage is also a big concern for anyone growing up working in the service industry where it's not necessarily normal to be offered coverage for being a waiter, bartender, or other service staff.
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On December 15 2017 03:12 mozoku wrote:
Plansix: Great, now show me the data that demonstrates how your problem is a structural one that holding back millennials as the article implies.
Mohdoo: That sounds reasonable. The point I was going to make is that $1600 is a luxury 1br in a lot of places. It would have been in downtown Chicago, for example, and there's certainly many jobs there for college educated folks... Yet it's population is declining. You're here so I'm willing to bet $1600 is relatively affordable to you, but there's plenty of cheaper cities available for those can't afford Portland.
What does it matter if is a structural problem if they feel that healthcare could bankrupt them at any moment? Even if it wasn’t a true structural problem, they would still be making decisions based on that fear of finical problems caused by medical expenses. You can’t dismiss the concerns of people simply by saying that the data doesn’t back up their fears. The fears still exist and they just think you are as asshole for dismissing their concerns.
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Giving billionaire children their full Royal-status and removing internet from public-domain. The last legacies of the shameless crap-pile known as the GOP. If you're going to sell-out America to Russia and a rapist, racist traitor, you might as well go out blazing. Big-ups to the Never Hillary Socialists, too.
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If you guys are so angry about the repeal of net neutrality, why don't you start your own ISP rather than regulating freedom and leeching off of the nanny state?
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Here's (yet another) good break down of the craphole we just fell into.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171214/02004738804/why-must-fcc-insult-everyones-intelligence-misrepresenting-broadband-investment.shtml
Here's Neil Smit, Comcast Cable's President and CEO telling Wall Street that nothing about Title II changes anything (on page 16):
On Title II, it really hasn't affected the way we have been doing our business or will do our business. We believe on Open Internet and while we don't necessarily agree with the Title II implementation, we conduct our business the same we always have...
He immediately follows that up by stating:
We have invested significantly in our capacity and will continue to do so and that includes both the -- we launched a 2 gigabit speed, 2 gigabit symmetrical speed recently. We are rolling that out across 18 million homes by the end of the year...
That doesn't sound like the disaster for broadband investment that Pai and his supporters are claiming.
How about AT&T? AT&T's Randall Stephenson was asked by a UBS analyst "are these net neutrality or Title II rules an impediment..." and Stephenson responded:
No, we don’t think so.
How about Charter (formerly Time Warner Cable)? Well, just last year at a UBS conference, he said:
I mean, Title II, it didn't really hurt us; it hasn't hurt us.
And, that wasn't the first time he said that. A year earlier he made it clear the company changed nothing about its investment plans:
"the commission’s decision to reclassify broadband Internet access under Title II has not altered Charter’s approach of investing significantly in its network to deliver cutting edge services."
Verizon is basically the only big broadband provider that didn't directly contradict its claims with a statement specifically about Title II... but, it did increase its investment spending quite a bit. Verizon's only comments have basically been the company saying that it continues to invest exactly as planned prior to the 2015 rules change. None of this should be surprising. As we've explained there is nothing in the 2015 order that increases compliance costs -- so long as you're not screwing over customers. The only way that the 2015 Open Internet Order should be a burden is if the broadband providers were doing something that broke the rules.
And, of course, just yesterday we noted that contrary to Pai's claims of five smaller ISPs decreasing investment, the actual data showed the opposite -- that they had all expanded. And that says nothing of the over 40 small ISPs which spoke out in favor of keeping the 2015 rules, in part because it allows them to invest more, knowing that the giant incumbents mentioned above can't use certain unfair, anti-competitive practices to keep them out of a market.
Without a legal foundation to address the anticompetitive practices of the largest players in the market, the FCC’s current course threatens the viability of competitive entry and competitive viability. As direct competitors to the biggest cable and telephone companies, we have reservations about any plan at the FCC that seeks to enhance their market power without any meaningful restraints on their ability to monopolize large swaths of the Internet.
It certainly looks like Pai's rules may actually cause some of those ISPs to decrease their investment as they'll have trouble competing with the large incumbents.
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And then there is this. This is what's important in the biggest business merger of all time -- ensuring Trump has his propaganda network to tell everyone how wrong the Western World is about everything.
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On December 15 2017 03:02 Cricketer12 wrote:
Rip Net Neutrality
Did you miss Republican leadership?
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On December 15 2017 03:23 Shiragaku wrote:
If you guys are so angry about the repeal of net neutrality, why don't you start your own ISP rather than regulating freedom and leeching off of the nanny state?
Because current ISPs have total control over the last-mile infrastructure that the government gave them massive tax incentives and funding to build?
I don't know if people understand, but the internet is built on wires. Net Neutrality, in part, is telling companies that those wires are public utilities and their job is simply to enable that throughput. The other required part is telling those companies they don't own those wires, which lets other ISPs actually open business in the first place.
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On December 15 2017 03:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 03:23 Shiragaku wrote:
If you guys are so angry about the repeal of net neutrality, why don't you start your own ISP rather than regulating freedom and leeching off of the nanny state? Because current ISPs have total control over the last-mile infrastructure that the government gave them massive tax incentives and funding to build? I don't know if people understand, but the internet is built on wires. Net Neutrality, in part, is telling companies that those wires are public utilities and their job is simply to enable that throughput. The other required part is telling those companies they don't own those wires, which lets other ISPs actually open business in the first place.
I was kidding.
Now I am waiting for the day we tell people to build their own roads or go to a different road toll provider if they don't like their service lel
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