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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13926 Posts
December 14 2017 18:40 GMT
#190621
If you guys hate high gas prices why don't you just open your own gas station instead of relying on the nanny state?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 14 2017 18:41 GMT
#190622
When they stealthily passed that earlier bill that allowed ISPs to sell data it became thoroughly clear that this presidency would see all norms of internet freedom go straight to shit. Republican legislation is a hazard to the country.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 14 2017 18:47 GMT
#190623
On December 15 2017 03:40 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 03:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:23 Shiragaku wrote:
If you guys are so angry about the repeal of net neutrality, why don't you start your own ISP rather than regulating freedom and leeching off of the nanny state?

Because current ISPs have total control over the last-mile infrastructure that the government gave them massive tax incentives and funding to build?

I don't know if people understand, but the internet is built on wires. Net Neutrality, in part, is telling companies that those wires are public utilities and their job is simply to enable that throughput. The other required part is telling those companies they don't own those wires, which lets other ISPs actually open business in the first place.

I was kidding.
Now I am waiting for the day we tell people to build their own roads or go to a different road toll provider if they don't like their service lel


Well, we could go ask our dads for a small loan of a million dollars...
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 18:49:21
December 14 2017 18:49 GMT
#190624
Like most things being done by this administration, I imagine this will be undone in 3 years. Won't be difficult either with all the horrible abuse anecdotes we will get between now and then.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 14 2017 18:49 GMT
#190625
This country was better when the government forked over massive contracts to wire the entire county with phone lines. This least then they made the rules and could break up monopolies. This shit is the illusion of a free market; but we all get screwed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 14 2017 18:49 GMT
#190626
On December 15 2017 03:40 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 03:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:23 Shiragaku wrote:
If you guys are so angry about the repeal of net neutrality, why don't you start your own ISP rather than regulating freedom and leeching off of the nanny state?

Because current ISPs have total control over the last-mile infrastructure that the government gave them massive tax incentives and funding to build?

I don't know if people understand, but the internet is built on wires. Net Neutrality, in part, is telling companies that those wires are public utilities and their job is simply to enable that throughput. The other required part is telling those companies they don't own those wires, which lets other ISPs actually open business in the first place.

I was kidding.
Now I am waiting for the day we tell people to build their own roads or go to a different road toll provider if they don't like their service lel

Welp, Poe's Law.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
December 14 2017 18:55 GMT
#190627
Paul Ryan wants out now that his hopes for entitlement reform have been quashed by Jones' election.

A nice bit of news among the net neutrality garbage.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 14 2017 18:56 GMT
#190628
Co worker just pointed out that this is the only way Americans learn. We need to touch the stove. The only way to assure good internet is to experience true shit internet.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
December 14 2017 18:57 GMT
#190629
On December 15 2017 03:56 Plansix wrote:
Co worker just pointed out that this is the only way Americans learn. We need to touch the stove. The only way to assure good internet is to experience true shit internet.


Except it seems in the American fashion we go from good -> complete shit -> barely acceptable that people begrudgingly accept as if it were normal and the way things have to be.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 18:59:25
December 14 2017 18:59 GMT
#190630
On December 15 2017 03:56 Plansix wrote:
Co worker just pointed out that this is the only way Americans learn. We need to touch the stove. The only way to assure good internet is to experience true shit internet.


This is the type of issue which will help drive voter turnout in 2020. At least one can hope.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 14 2017 19:00 GMT
#190631
On December 15 2017 03:49 On_Slaught wrote:
Like most things being done by this administration, I imagine this will be undone in 3 years. Won't be difficult either with all the horrible abuse anecdotes we will get between now and then.

Exactly.
As shitty as this may be this is one of the easiest if not the easiest things to undo.
A lot of other stuff has some consequences attached to it that makes undoing it at least somewhat arkward but this is not one of them.
You get fucked for 3 years and then the next President does his thing.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 19:01:33
December 14 2017 19:01 GMT
#190632
Reality-TV star turned White House staffer Omarosa Manigault today tried to set the record straight on her reportedly dramatic exit from the White House on Tuesday and alluded to situations in the White House "that have made me uncomfortable."

...

"But when I have my story to tell, as the only African-American woman in this White House, as a senior staff and assistant to the president, I have seen things that have made me uncomfortable, that have upset me, that have affected me deeply and emotionally, that has affected my community and my people. And when I can tell my story, it is a profound story that I know the world will want to hear," Manigault added.


www.yahoo.com
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 14 2017 19:01 GMT
#190633
On December 15 2017 02:28 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 02:07 IyMoon wrote:
On December 15 2017 02:06 mozoku wrote:
On December 15 2017 01:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bravo.

I am 35 years old—the oldest millennial, the first millennial—and for a decade now, I’ve been waiting for adulthood to kick in. My rent consumes nearly half my income, I haven’t had a steady job since Pluto was a planet and my savings are dwindling faster than the ice caps the baby boomers melted.

We’ve all heard the statistics. More millennials live with their parents than with roommates. We are delaying partner-marrying and house-buying and kid-having for longer than any previous generation. And, according to The Olds, our problems are all our fault: We got the wrong degree. We spend money we don’t have on things we don’t need. We still haven’t learned to code. We killed cereal and department stores and golf and napkins and lunch. Mention “millennial” to anyone over 40 and the word “entitlement” will come back at you within seconds, our own intergenerational game of Marco Polo.

This is what it feels like to be young now. Not only are we screwed, but we have to listen to lectures about our laziness and our participation trophies from the people who screwed us.

But generalizations about millennials, like those about any other arbitrarily defined group of 75 million people, fall apart under the slightest scrutiny. Contrary to the cliché, the vast majority of millennials did not go to college, do not work as baristas and cannot lean on their parents for help. Every stereotype of our generation applies only to the tiniest, richest, whitest sliver of young people. And the circumstances we live in are more dire than most people realize.

What is different about us as individuals compared to previous generations is minor. What is different about the world around us is profound. Salaries have stagnated and entire sectors have cratered. At the same time, the cost of every prerequisite of a secure existence—education, housing and health care—has inflated into the stratosphere. From job security to the social safety net, all the structures that insulate us from ruin are eroding. And the opportunities leading to a middle-class life—the ones that boomers lucked into—are being lifted out of our reach. Add it all up and it’s no surprise that we’re the first generation in modern history to end up poorer than our parents.

This is why the touchstone experience of millennials, the thing that truly defines us, is not helicopter parenting or unpaid internships or Pokémon Go. It is uncertainty. “Some days I breathe and it feels like something is about to burst out of my chest,” says Jimmi Matsinger. “I’m 25 and I’m still in the same place I was when I earned minimum wage.” Four days a week she works at a dental office, Fridays she nannies, weekends she babysits. And still she couldn’t keep up with her rent, car lease and student loans. Earlier this year she had to borrow money to file for bankruptcy. I heard the same walls-closing-in anxiety from millennials around the country and across the income scale, from cashiers in Detroit to nurses in Seattle.

It’s tempting to look at the recession as the cause of all this, the Great Fuckening from which we are still waiting to recover. But what we are living through now, and what the recession merely accelerated, is a historic convergence of economic maladies, many of them decades in the making. Decision by decision, the economy has turned into a young people-screwing machine. And unless something changes, our calamity is going to become America’s.


Source

Good Lord. I'm not sure he can pander more to his audience if he was assigned to (which he probably was).


He summed up life for millions of people pretty much perfectly, but sure I guess you could say he was pandering

It's hard to take the guy seriously when he lists the cost of healthcare as a major problem holding back young people. Of all groups, youngest people are the least affected by healthcare costs. And if you're actually broke and can't afford your ER bill, hospitals often forgive it anyway.

Or when he talks about the "eroding" social safety net, even though it was expanded under Obama and has been untouched under Trump.

Housing costs have only risen significant faster than its historical average in certain urban areas. If you have a low-paying job because you graduated with a $90k art history degree and insist on living in San Fransisco or Seattle, I have little sympathy for you.

Unemployment is 4.1% and the economy is the strongest it's been since the 90s. If you are college-educated and can't find more than a minimum wage job in this economy, the issue likely has more to do with you that it does with society.

It's a HuffPost editorial article ffs. What do you expect? The honest truth?

The social state has been eroded since the 80s, and that is a big reason for the intergenerational wealth gap between boomers and millennial.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#190634
On December 15 2017 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 03:49 On_Slaught wrote:
Like most things being done by this administration, I imagine this will be undone in 3 years. Won't be difficult either with all the horrible abuse anecdotes we will get between now and then.

Exactly.
As shitty as this may be this is one of the easiest if not the easiest things to undo.
A lot of other stuff has some consequences attached to it that makes undoing it at least somewhat arkward but this is not one of them.
You get fucked for 3 years and then the next President does his thing.


Plus it seems like at least one AG is suing over the comments issue which could have this tied up in the courts for years before it goes into effect.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
December 14 2017 19:03 GMT
#190635
On December 15 2017 03:59 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 03:56 Plansix wrote:
Co worker just pointed out that this is the only way Americans learn. We need to touch the stove. The only way to assure good internet is to experience true shit internet.


This is the type of issue which will help drive voter turnout in 2020. At least one can hope.

You want to get young people out voting? Fuck with their internet.

Slow internet is worse than no internet.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 14 2017 19:03 GMT
#190636
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 14 2017 19:05 GMT
#190637
I would not be shocked if he and Collins try to gut that bill.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 14 2017 19:12 GMT
#190638
On December 15 2017 04:05 Plansix wrote:
I would not be shocked if he and Collins try to gut that bill.

Vox's podcast had yglesias making this point. Basically, senators kept holding up Obamacare and forcing compromises, which is normal in the legislative process. This one just had everyone agreeing with McConnell , which is weird

If this bill passes without massive changes I'm expecting the GOP to lose something on the order of 100 seats in the house and multiple senate seats that were deemed unlosable.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 14 2017 19:17 GMT
#190639
Poll: How many seats will Democrats gain in the house

90+ (3)
 
25%

20-30 (3)
 
25%

40-50 (2)
 
17%

0-10 (1)
 
8%

60-70 (1)
 
8%

80-90 (1)
 
8%

-5 to -10 (1)
 
8%

10-20 (0)
 
0%

-10 or more (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: How many seats will Democrats gain in the house

(Vote): 0-10
(Vote): 10-20
(Vote): 20-30
(Vote): 40-50
(Vote): 60-70
(Vote): 80-90
(Vote): 90+
(Vote): -5 to -10
(Vote): -10 or more



Poll: Senate seats gained by Democrats in 2018 midterms?

1-2 (5)
 
42%

-2 to 0 (4)
 
33%

5-6 (3)
 
25%

-5 to -10 (0)
 
0%

3-4 (0)
 
0%

-3/-4 (0)
 
0%

-10+ (0)
 
0%

7+ (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Senate seats gained by Democrats in 2018 midterms?

(Vote): -5 to -10
(Vote): 1-2
(Vote): 3-4
(Vote): 5-6
(Vote): -2 to 0
(Vote): -3/-4
(Vote): -10+
(Vote): 7+



I think it is late enough for a prediction poll. (I didn't want to add too many options to the house one)
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 14 2017 19:21 GMT
#190640
On December 15 2017 04:17 Nevuk wrote:
Poll: How many seats will Democrats gain in the house

90+ (3)
 
25%

20-30 (3)
 
25%

40-50 (2)
 
17%

0-10 (1)
 
8%

60-70 (1)
 
8%

80-90 (1)
 
8%

-5 to -10 (1)
 
8%

10-20 (0)
 
0%

-10 or more (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: How many seats will Democrats gain in the house

(Vote): 0-10
(Vote): 10-20
(Vote): 20-30
(Vote): 40-50
(Vote): 60-70
(Vote): 80-90
(Vote): 90+
(Vote): -5 to -10
(Vote): -10 or more



Poll: Senate seats gained by Democrats in 2018 midterms?

1-2 (5)
 
42%

-2 to 0 (4)
 
33%

5-6 (3)
 
25%

-5 to -10 (0)
 
0%

3-4 (0)
 
0%

-3/-4 (0)
 
0%

-10+ (0)
 
0%

7+ (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Senate seats gained by Democrats in 2018 midterms?

(Vote): -5 to -10
(Vote): 1-2
(Vote): 3-4
(Vote): 5-6
(Vote): -2 to 0
(Vote): -3/-4
(Vote): -10+
(Vote): 7+



I think it is late enough for a prediction poll. (I didn't want to add too many options to the house one)


The map is REALLY stacked against the dems. If we are going on both sides having non bat shit crazy people running I give it to the Rs for the senate
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