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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:34 Sermokala wrote: And yet facebook is often rated as one of the best places to work at. These days the qualifications for that tend to include: 1. Be a tech company. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 09 2017 02:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Probably not, but they probably won't do anything about murderous cops either. This makes me sick to my stomach. Am I supposed to feel safe after watching this? This is first-hand, body cam footage, of a police officer ambushing someone and treating him exactly like a terrorist would. He was being made to process all these ridiculous and humiliating demands, and when the man didn't get it exactly right, he deserved to die. Simple as that. You know how terrified he had to be? How was this officer acting any differently than the terrorists we're all supposed to be so afraid of? Seriously, he was 26 and unarmed. This shit could happen to me next week, and I won't know. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:39 IyMoon wrote: The women who showed the year book signed by Roy Moore has come out and said she added parts of it while attributing the whole thing to Moore http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html Forged is not the correct term for what she did. She altered it. Fox news is really pushing the limit with that headline. That is borderline malpractice of journalism. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:45 Plansix wrote: Forged is not the correct term for what she did. She altered it. Fox news is really pushing the limit with that headline. That is borderline malpractice of journalism. I agree, but that little tidbit is not what people are going to run with. They are going to see the word forged and say the whole thing is fake | ||
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Simberto
Germany12062 Posts
There should be a major investigation whenever a cop shoots kills someone. And this is happening so often that it becomes obvious that the problem is not an individual one, but a systemic one. Something is very wrong with your police procedures and/or training. And no one seems to care or want to change this. I don't get why there is never a consequence to these incidents. If a cop shoots an unarmed innocent, something went horribly wrong. Either the cop did something wrong, or something is set up incorrectly. Yet every time this happens, nothing changes. The cop is declared innocent in a court of law, and nothing systemic changes either. You have to realize that this shit is not normal. Police murdering innocent unarmed people is not an unavoidable consequence of having a police force. It means that something is very broken. And it can be avoided. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:43 NewSunshine wrote: This makes me sick to my stomach. Am I supposed to feel safe after watching this? This is first-hand, body cam footage, of a police officer ambushing someone and treating him exactly like a terrorist would. He was being made to process all these ridiculous and humiliating demands, and when the man didn't get it exactly right, he deserved to die. Simple as that. You know how terrified he had to be? How was this officer acting any differently than the terrorists we're all supposed to be so afraid of? Seriously, he was 26 and unarmed. This shit could happen to me next week, and I won't know. Yes. Welcome to America, the land of the free. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:49 IyMoon wrote: I agree, but that little tidbit is not what people are going to run with. They are going to see the word forged and say the whole thing is fake Its almost like Fox News is trying mislead people with a misleading headline. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:53 Simberto wrote: I always find it amazing how fine a lot of US citizens seem to be with their police just constantly murdering people. And there not being any legal repercussions to this whatsoever, or any systemic changes. There should be a major investigation whenever a cop shoots kills someone. And this is happening so often that it becomes obvious that the problem is not an individual one, but a systemic one. Something is very wrong with your police procedures and/or training. And no one seems to care or want to change this. I don't get why there is never a consequence to these incidents. If a cop shoots an unarmed innocent, something went horribly wrong. Either the cop did something wrong, or something is set up incorrectly. Yet every time this happens, nothing changes. The cop is declared innocent in a court of law, and nothing systemic changes either. You have to realize that this shit is not normal. Police murdering innocent unarmed people is not an unavoidable consequence of having a police force. It means that something is very broken. And it can be avoided. This so much. The american response to police shootings has become :"well, did he totaly 100% comply?" This is insane | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On December 09 2017 02:00 urmomdresslikafloozy wrote: Body cam footage has been released showing the fatal police shooting of 26-year-old Daniel Shaver. Police were called to a hotel in Mesa, Arizona, in 2016 after a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. Shaver, however, was unarmed. The officer, Philip Brailsford, was found not guilty of 2nd degree murder. NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw Will white people riot? These instructions are awful. 'Push yourself up from laying position with your hands flat in front of you while keeping your legs crossed?' Crawling with crossed legs? That's pretty hard to do... even without someone with a machinegun shouting at you that he'll kill you for a mistake... better be a yoga expert or get shot dead. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On December 08 2017 03:01 mozoku wrote: I don't really agree that they get any credit. If you do something for political reasons that happens to be ethical, that's not at all the same as being ethical. This is a few pages ago, but this seriously needs correction. This is the same argument as the "No one is really a good person, because they always just think of themselves whenever they do something good. They just want to feel good". Even if we agree with that nonsensical way of thinking: Why does it matter? Why does it matter if a person "only doesn't murder because it makes him feel good not to"? Why does it matter if a party does ethical things "only for political reason"? They are still doing them and such actions should be rewarded/praised, not dismissed. If every single party on on earth only did good things because it gave them the moral high ground, then this planet would be a fucking awesome place to live in. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On December 09 2017 04:05 Velr wrote: This so much. The american response to police shootings has become :"well, did he totaly 100% comply?" This is insane Because of the rather laughable qualifications needed to be a cop in America, and even more laughable education to become one, a lot of people who really really shouldn't be cops are. There's a certain type of people (We've all met them) who just can not handle any kind of power without going bananas, or any kind of stressful situations without blacking out. Honestly the rest of the first world has figured this out a long time ago, yet everything that works everywhere else "just wouldn't work in the US because our culture is so different!", completely ignoring the fact that the "culture" is different exactly because these things haven't been implemented in the first place. | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On December 09 2017 03:53 Simberto wrote: I always find it amazing how fine a lot of US citizens seem to be with their police just constantly murdering people. And there not being any legal repercussions to this whatsoever, or any systemic changes. There should be a major investigation whenever a cop shoots kills someone. And this is happening so often that it becomes obvious that the problem is not an individual one, but a systemic one. Something is very wrong with your police procedures and/or training. And no one seems to care or want to change this. I don't get why there is never a consequence to these incidents. If a cop shoots an unarmed innocent, something went horribly wrong. Either the cop did something wrong, or something is set up incorrectly. Yet every time this happens, nothing changes. The cop is declared innocent in a court of law, and nothing systemic changes either. You have to realize that this shit is not normal. Police murdering innocent unarmed people is not an unavoidable consequence of having a police force. It means that something is very broken. And it can be avoided. According to Washington Post, there are about 500-100 fatal police shootings each year. Even if you assume all of them are indefensible, that's 500-1000 people a year in a country of ~350M from mostly independently operating police department. It's sad when it happens, but there's it's hard to argue either the problem is as common as the media portrays or that the problem is systemic rather than the result of some bad apples. Maybe you can argue it's a consequence of gun policy in the US, but that's a whole mess to touch on its own. | ||
KwarK
United States44401 Posts
On December 09 2017 04:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: These instructions are awful. 'Push yourself up from laying position with your hands flat in front of you while keeping your legs crossed?' Crawling with crossed legs? That's pretty hard to do... even without someone with a machinegun shouting at you that he'll kill you for a mistake... better be a yoga expert or get shot dead. The police officer kept telling him that he was going to shoot him. The guy was sobbing and terrified. That shit was hard to watch. | ||
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KwarK
United States44401 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
there are also proven systemic problems in a number of places. and of course this is only the unjustified killings, not the much, much larger number of unjustified non-fatal injuries of various degrees. there's also a lot of side effects caused by the police misconduct. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On December 09 2017 04:22 mozoku wrote: According to Washington Post, there are about 500-100 fatal police shootings each year. Even if you assume all of them are indefensible, that's 500-1000 people a year in a country of ~350M from mostly independently operating police department. It's sad when it happens, but there's it's hard to argue either the problem is as common as the media portrays or that the problem is systemic rather than the result of some bad apples. Maybe you can argue it's a consequence of gun policy in the US, but that's a whole mess to touch on its own. Islamists have to step up their game, maybe they should pretend those policemen are from daesh. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Second – the state murdering the entire population of my home town every year and not being held accountable it a big fucking deal. On December 09 2017 04:32 SoSexy wrote: I know I might be a jerk but...how come police footage resolution is ONLY 360 p? We're in 2017 ffs...you can find terrible home cooks streaming in 1080 hd and the State has this quality? Built by the lowest bidder and likely to get damaged. No one is putting a nice camera on a body cam. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 09 2017 04:22 mozoku wrote: According to Washington Post, there are about 500-100 fatal police shootings each year. Even if you assume all of them are indefensible, that's 500-1000 people a year in a country of ~350M from mostly independently operating police department. It's sad when it happens, but there's it's hard to argue either the problem is as common as the media portrays or that the problem is systemic rather than the result of some bad apples. Maybe you can argue it's a consequence of gun policy in the US, but that's a whole mess to touch on its own. Somehow other countries still manage to get less victims. In the last 10 years, 5-13 people have been shot per year in Germany. In total 32-57 bullets have been fired by German police forces per year. Germany has about one fourth of the US population. That's still a factor 25 in deaths. In fact not even enough bullets get fired to get even close to similar numbers. PS: Yes, Germany doesn't have a "fire until the clip is empty protocol" | ||
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