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On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
On December 09 2017 04:32 SoSexy wrote: I know I might be a jerk but...how come police footage resolution is ONLY 360 p? We're in 2017 ffs...you can find terrible home cooks streaming in 1080 hd and the State has this quality?
Does the terrible home cook record an entire work day on a small device?
When you need to store like 8 hours of footage you have to compromise.
On December 09 2017 03:39 IyMoon wrote: The women who showed the year book signed by Roy Moore has come out and said she added parts of it while attributing the whole thing to Moore
Forged is not the correct term for what she did. She altered it. Fox news is really pushing the limit with that headline. That is borderline malpractice of journalism.
They had to add this to the story. She didn't forge or alter anything, all she did was add the notes on where he signed it below his signature. I thought that was obvious in the original picture, but I guess people are blind.
An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes” beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it.]An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes” beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it.
Yeah, I imagine it's like you said. My reflection is more general - I really can't understand how certain techs are developed so much and others are still this bad. I mean, we managed to build the ISS and we cannot build cheap, hd cameras? Or wifi - that triggers me so much. We are attempting a freakin' brain transplant yet signals disappear in a 2-storey house. Sorry for the rant.
Because tax payers are unwilling to pay for the best. And if you buy the best on the tax payer’s dime, they get very mad. Interact with enough government websites and you figure this out.
On December 09 2017 03:04 Nebuchad wrote: I just watched the end of Bosch season 3 the other day and they had an officer involved shooting where the cop was clearly in the right, then they had the "progressive" people come after him for dumb reasons, as if that was representative of the reality of the US today. And then you watch shit like this that actually happens...
This is because entertainment is financed for by people with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. That's why you get all these shows about how cops are awesome and criminals are all evil thugs. It's propaganda on a mass scale. Hell, you even have supreme court justices citing Jack fucking Bauer to justify TORTURE. Since american media is viewed worldwide it also helps in reinforcing our good guy image.
I can't think of a single TV show or movie that depicted the police as anything other than saints aside from The Wire.
On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
Eh, I don't see any mistakes in what I said.
"Americans" can't really push for change when there's no centralized organisation that dictates police policy. If you live in NYC and this is a big issue for you, you can't do much to stop it from happening in Arizona. Consequently, the ability of the public to effect change here is limited. Hence why I emphasized that there are thousands of independently operated police departments. In places where this is ostensibly a recurring problem (e.g. Chicago), there are mostly already reform attempts in place.
I didn't ignore that the US seems to have higher police shooting fatality rates compared to other countries--hence why I pointed out what seems to me to be the most likely potential country-level culprit (gun policy).
My other implicit point was that at least 500-1000 people a year die from pretty much anything you can think of in a population of ~350M. When I used to teach business stats courses, the most important lesson I always tried to impart to my students was to remember that there is a very important difference between statistical significance and practical significance. At least in terms of number of lives saved, it's hard for me to conclude that this is the area where we can most move the needle. On the other hand, the public perception (and this political pressure/outrage) is going to be dramatically biased upwards relative to other issues because of the media attention and emotional power associated with the issue.
On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
Eh, I don't see any mistakes in what I said.
"Americans" can't really push for change when there's no centralized organisation that dictates police policy. If you live in NYC and this is a big issue for you, you can't do much to stop it from happening in Arizona. Consequently, the ability of the public to effect change here is limited. Hence why I emphasized that there are thousands of independently operated police departments. In places where this is ostensibly a recurring problem (e.g. Chicago), there are mostly already reform attempts in place.
I didn't ignore that the US seems to have higher police shooting fatality rates compared to other countries--hence why I pointed out what seems to me to be the most likely potential country-level culprit (gun policy).
My other implicit point was that at least 500-1000 people a year die from pretty much anything you can think of in a population of ~350M. At least in terms of number of lives saved, it's hard for me to conclude that this is the area where we can most move the needle. On the other hand, the public perception (and this political pressure/outrage) is going to be dramatically biased upwards relative to other issues because of the media attention and emotional power associated with the issue.
500-1000 people a year don't die from Islamic terrorist attacks in the US and yet that seems to be an issue.
On December 09 2017 03:34 Sermokala wrote: And yet facebook is often rated as one of the best places to work at.
These days the qualifications for that tend to include: 1. Be a tech company.
It's not hard to do when most other companies straight up suck at providing a good workplace.
Sounds like a wonderful reductionist explanation for the fact that it really seldom takes more than being a tech company, and often writing your own reviews and generally bullshitting about how much you’re changing the world, to have tech blogs and “business news” rave about how good a company it is.
I’ve worked in plenty of companies where all the reviews said “omg amazing place to work” that were utter shit, and vice versa. The former generally, though not necessarily always, are mostly shitty places with a cult mentality that makes people believe it’s great.
The police video is sickening. The cop was clearly either freaking out even more than his victim or he was literally looking for an excuse to kill him. The latter seems more likely considering how often this sorry excuse for a police officer felt the need to tell the guy who is clearly freaking out that he's going to get killed.
I took a road trip across the US last year. Woke up to a flashlight through my side window one night. The police officer asked if I had any weapons and I - newly-woken, naïve, and often stupid - said yes and made a move to show him my amazing flashbat. Didn't even consider that that'd get me killed until he said it was "unwise" to do that. Haha...
On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
Eh, I don't see any mistakes in what I said.
"Americans" can't really push for change when there's no centralized organisation that dictates police policy. If you live in NYC and this is a big issue for you, you can't do much to stop it from happening in Arizona. Consequently, the ability of the public to effect change here is limited. Hence why I emphasized that there are thousands of independently operated police departments. In places where this is ostensibly a recurring problem (e.g. Chicago), there are mostly already reform attempts in place.
I didn't ignore that the US seems to have higher police shooting fatality rates compared to other countries--hence why I pointed out what seems to me to be the most likely potential country-level culprit (gun policy).
My other implicit point was that at least 500-1000 people a year die from pretty much anything you can think of in a population of ~350M. At least in terms of number of lives saved, it's hard for me to conclude that this is the area where we can most move the needle. On the other hand, the public perception (and this political pressure/outrage) is going to be dramatically biased upwards relative to other issues because of the media attention and emotional power associated with the issue.
500-1000 people a year don't die from Islamic terrorist attacks in the US and yet that seems to be an issue.
And the public knowing that 1000 people are unjustly murdered by the state every year is going to have a negative impact on public trust and the behavior of police.
Plus, if we apply this to anything other crime and public servant, it seems insane:
“1000 students are raped by their public school teachers every year. Juries have failed to convict any of these teachers and many of them still have jobs.”
On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
Eh, I don't see any mistakes in what I said.
"Americans" can't really push for change when there's no centralized organisation that dictates police policy. If you live in NYC and this is a big issue for you, you can't do much to stop it from happening in Arizona. Consequently, the ability of the public to effect change here is limited. Hence why I emphasized that there are thousands of independently operated police departments. In places where this is ostensibly a recurring problem (e.g. Chicago), there are mostly already reform attempts in place.
I didn't ignore that the US seems to have higher police shooting fatality rates compared to other countries--hence why I pointed out what seems to me to be the most likely potential country-level culprit (gun policy).
My other implicit point was that at least 500-1000 people a year die from pretty much anything you can think of in a population of ~350M. At least in terms of number of lives saved, it's hard for me to conclude that this is the area where we can most move the needle. On the other hand, the public perception (and this political pressure/outrage) is going to be dramatically biased upwards relative to other issues because of the media attention and emotional power associated with the issue.
500-1000 people a year don't die from Islamic terrorist attacks in the US and yet that seems to be an issue.
This ignores the fact that, if you ignore the growth of Islamic terrorist groups, you increase your exposure of tail risks such as 9/11 (worse). There's also a deterrent aspect that needs to be considered.
Even given those factors though, I do honestly question sometimes whether the War on Terror can be justify its cost. My hunch is that terrorism's media exposure and emotional impacts may actually result in overreactions to terror, but I'm not knowledgeable enough (and the data likely doesn't exist) to estimate that with any certainty.
On December 09 2017 04:32 SoSexy wrote: I know I might be a jerk but...how come police footage resolution is ONLY 360 p? We're in 2017 ffs...you can find terrible home cooks streaming in 1080 hd and the State has this quality?
Does the terrible home cook record an entire work day on a small device?
When you need to store like 8 hours of footage you have to compromise.
That Body cam video is over 2 years old. The judge woundn't release the video until the trial was over because it would pollute jury selection jeopardizing the trial
The officer also had the words "you're fucked" etched onto his gun.
Harvey Levin is saying this is worse than Rodney King
Geragos will likely win the wrongful death civil suit against the police department, but this makes it harder.
On December 09 2017 04:36 Sadist wrote: that cop sounded like a complete piece of shit in that video.
Is he going to be charged with something else since he got off on the Murder charge? He needs to be put in prison for something.
dunno if he'll be charged with somethin else. double jeopardy tends to attach; so they can't charge him with something else for the same basic underlying act (generally speaking). though I'm not sure that applies to federal vs state charges. sometimes in cases like this they try to bring Federal charges of civil rights violations (a mid-range felony). (i'm assuming this was a state murder charge that failed) succeeding with a federal civil rights charge does happen, but it's very hard to do and quite rare in general.
On December 09 2017 04:26 KwarK wrote: mozuku, the expression a few bad apples means that the whole barrel is spoiled. It doesn't mean "the problem is isolated, we can remove the bad apples and salvage the rest", it means "throw the barrel of apples overboard".
its in any case a surprising conclusion from a statistics expert, trained to tease systematic trends out of large datasets. "it's basically a rounding error (lets not compare it to other countries' rounding errors)"
if i saw this tape and the victim was a family member or close friend of mine i would want blood in return
Eh, I don't see any mistakes in what I said.
"Americans" can't really push for change when there's no centralized organisation that dictates police policy. If you live in NYC and this is a big issue for you, you can't do much to stop it from happening in Arizona. Consequently, the ability of the public to effect change here is limited. Hence why I emphasized that there are thousands of independently operated police departments. In places where this is ostensibly a recurring problem (e.g. Chicago), there are mostly already reform attempts in place.
I didn't ignore that the US seems to have higher police shooting fatality rates compared to other countries--hence why I pointed out what seems to me to be the most likely potential country-level culprit (gun policy).
My other implicit point was that at least 500-1000 people a year die from pretty much anything you can think of in a population of ~350M. At least in terms of number of lives saved, it's hard for me to conclude that this is the area where we can most move the needle. On the other hand, the public perception (and this political pressure/outrage) is going to be dramatically biased upwards relative to other issues because of the media attention and emotional power associated with the issue.
500-1000 people a year don't die from Islamic terrorist attacks in the US and yet that seems to be an issue.
This ignores the fact that, if you ignore the growth of Islamic terrorist groups, you increase your exposure of tail risks such as 9/11 (worse). There's also a deterrent aspect that needs to be considered.
Even given those factors though, I do honestly question sometimes whether the War on Terror can be justify its cost. My hunch is that terrorism's media exposure and emotional impacts may actually result in overreactions to terror, but I'm not knowledgeable enough (and the data likely doesn't exist) to estimate that with any certainty.
there's more than enough data to establish with complete certainty that the war on terror does not justify its cost. (at least that's true for several very reasonable ways of looking at the data using reasonable assumptions, and for other ways it still strongly trends toward not bein worthwhile)
one of the major goals of terrorists is to get people to overreact to them; they don't have enough power to actually effect change directly, which is why they have to resort to it.
people's overreaction to it, as a result of emotional effect and media exposure, are quite clear when you look at actuarial data on risks and such.
On December 09 2017 03:34 Sermokala wrote: And yet facebook is often rated as one of the best places to work at.
These days the qualifications for that tend to include: 1. Be a tech company.
It's not hard to do when most other companies straight up suck at providing a good workplace.
Sounds like a wonderful reductionist explanation for the fact that it really seldom takes more than being a tech company, and often writing your own reviews and generally bullshitting about how much you’re changing the world, to have tech blogs and “business news” rave about how good a company it is.
I’ve worked in plenty of companies where all the reviews said “omg amazing place to work” that were utter shit, and vice versa. The former generally, though not necessarily always, are mostly shitty places with a cult mentality that makes people believe it’s great.
high salaries are nice to have so is working from home when needed with flexible hours
On December 09 2017 03:34 Sermokala wrote: And yet facebook is often rated as one of the best places to work at.
These days the qualifications for that tend to include: 1. Be a tech company.
It's not hard to do when most other companies straight up suck at providing a good workplace.
Sounds like a wonderful reductionist explanation for the fact that it really seldom takes more than being a tech company, and often writing your own reviews and generally bullshitting about how much you’re changing the world, to have tech blogs and “business news” rave about how good a company it is.
I’ve worked in plenty of companies where all the reviews said “omg amazing place to work” that were utter shit, and vice versa. The former generally, though not necessarily always, are mostly shitty places with a cult mentality that makes people believe it’s great.
Eh, it probably has to do with the fact that places with comparable pay and work-life balance are much smaller and less well-known. And that it's an average of many different people.
I don't believe that Google, Amazon, and Facebook are actually the best places to work for very many individuals. For the non-existent average individual that wants a well-rounded combination of pay, work-life balance, interesting work, good benefits, and stability, and the options this non-existent average person is aware of, I'd say Amazon, Google, Facebook make sense near the top of the list though.
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