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mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 21:08:34
December 03 2017 20:34 GMT
#188041
On December 04 2017 05:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
On December 03 2017 20:49 Gahlo wrote:
On December 03 2017 17:29 mozoku wrote:
Meh, I don't see how the status quo with Uber and Amazon is bad for the consumer. Retail and ridesharing are industries where the consumer is always going to be chasing the lowest price so rent-seeking is going to be challenging for both of them if they want to pursue that path. Google and Facebook are much more worrisome imo for a number of reasons--larger market share, no notable competition, more difficult for consumers to simply leave the platform, overall too much control over the internet, etc.

Amazon employs far less people than the businesses that it replaces. Plus Amazon is shit to its workers. If you wipe out retail outside of Amazon there will be mass unemployment. Amazon is basically online Walmart.

What, are you a luddite or something? Isn't that the point? Better output with less manhours? Businesses don't exist to provide people with unneeded jobs. What do you think happens when productivity increases? This is how the economy has worked since forever.

Also I have a little inside info on this one and can assure you that the NYT article on corporate working conditions isn't really accurate at all, at least in 2017.

I worked at Amazon in late 2016. I have a friend that still works there. Shit sucks.

Then you can leave? Most Amazon corporate employees work < 50 hour weeks. For comparably paying jobs outside of tech, that's that's pretty uncommon. And it's not like there aren't strong exit opportunities for their corporate employees.
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
December 03 2017 20:50 GMT
#188042
On December 04 2017 05:30 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 05:16 xDaunt wrote:
We have always found ways to reallocate human capital in light of technological changes. There is no reason to believe that won’t continue. Just think of all of the types of jobs that exist today that were unimaginable just a generation ago.

Also, by the way AI research is going, it's not just manual labour that's going to go out the window. A frightening amount of accounting, law and administration is beginning to look like it could be automated.

There's a lot of journalistic (and other) hype around AI that far exceeds where we're actually at and how fast we're actually advancing. I wouldn't panic.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 20:55:13
December 03 2017 20:54 GMT
#188043
I've heard amazon improved some after there was a really scathing article in the NYT about people falling asleep at their desks and some of the other extremes. (In the past year or so, 2016 was awful)
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 03 2017 20:56 GMT
#188044
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell directly said recently that he believes the women who have made serious allegations of sexual misconduct against Roy Moore, and he called on Moore to step out of the race.

On ABC’s This Week today, George Stephanopoulos asked McConnell about whether he’ll push for Moore to go before the Senate Ethics Committee.

“We’re gonna let the people of Alabama decide on Tuesday who they want to send to the Senate,” McConnell said, “and then we’ll address the matter appropriately.”

Stephanopoulos asked him if he thinks Moore should be in the Senate. He reiterated he’ll “let the people of Alabama make the call,” and the Senate Ethics Committee will “have to consider the matters that have been litigated in the campaign.”

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the pedophile party of america.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35130 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 21:09:59
December 03 2017 21:09 GMT
#188045
On December 04 2017 05:34 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 05:14 Gahlo wrote:
On December 04 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
On December 03 2017 20:49 Gahlo wrote:
On December 03 2017 17:29 mozoku wrote:
Meh, I don't see how the status quo with Uber and Amazon is bad for the consumer. Retail and ridesharing are industries where the consumer is always going to be chasing the lowest price so rent-seeking is going to be challenging for both of them if they want to pursue that path. Google and Facebook are much more worrisome imo for a number of reasons--larger market share, no notable competition, more difficult for consumers to simply leave the platform, overall too much control over the internet, etc.

Amazon employs far less people than the businesses that it replaces. Plus Amazon is shit to its workers. If you wipe out retail outside of Amazon there will be mass unemployment. Amazon is basically online Walmart.

What, are you a luddite or something? Isn't that the point? Better output with less manhours? Businesses don't exist to provide people with unneeded jobs. What do you think happens when productivity increases? This is how the economy has worked since forever.

Also I have a little inside info on this one and can assure you that the NYT article on corporate working conditions isn't really accurate at all, at least in 2017.

I worked at Amazon in late 2016. I have a friend that still works there. Shit sucks.

Then you can leave? Most Amazon corporate employees work < 50 hour weeks. For comparably paying jobs outside of tech, that's that's pretty uncommon. And it's not like there aren't any exit opportunities for their corporate employees.

Operative word is "worked." Being in a DC is a hell hole job.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4723 Posts
December 03 2017 21:22 GMT
#188046
On December 04 2017 05:50 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 05:30 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On December 04 2017 05:16 xDaunt wrote:
We have always found ways to reallocate human capital in light of technological changes. There is no reason to believe that won’t continue. Just think of all of the types of jobs that exist today that were unimaginable just a generation ago.

Also, by the way AI research is going, it's not just manual labour that's going to go out the window. A frightening amount of accounting, law and administration is beginning to look like it could be automated.

There's a lot of journalistic (and other) hype around AI that far exceeds where we're actually at and how fast we're actually advancing. I wouldn't panic.

Hype or not, we're approaching an age where we'll be able to replace both manual labor and some job that require higher education simply because human memory and cognitive skills become useless compared to what a computer has.
A necessity for an infrastructural framework is on the horizon that addresses issues like: universal wage, mass unemployment (how to let people live meaningful lives), AI ethics, resource allocation, governmental bodies etc etc.
The traditional way of living needs to be eradicated completely before we can embark on the next chapter of the augmented human experience.
Society already has a difficult time keeping up, dragging (un)educated people along who're out of the loop or are unwilling to face the changing times and the pace they're changing at.
What good is achieving a status quo or changing infinitesimally really, when literally every aspect of our globe will look vastly different (or at least has the potential to) in 50 years?
I've been ready for a mass overhaul of (inter)national politics and the way bureaucratic and legislatory systems work. It's time we stop blindly grasping for solutions to see what sticks and actually use our collective brains for once to have some foresight at the dawn of this new era. Let's grow up, people.
Taxes are for Terrans
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
December 03 2017 21:27 GMT
#188047
luxury fully automated gay space communism is the only way to go
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4723 Posts
December 03 2017 21:29 GMT
#188048
It's at the very least one of the options we'll have
Taxes are for Terrans
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
December 03 2017 22:10 GMT
#188049
On December 04 2017 06:27 farvacola wrote:
luxury fully automated gay space communism is the only way to go

But what about people who want luxury fully automated gay terrestrial communism?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
December 03 2017 22:15 GMT
#188050
On December 04 2017 07:10 Kyadytim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 06:27 farvacola wrote:
luxury fully automated gay space communism is the only way to go

But what about people who want luxury fully automated gay terrestrial communism?

Seems like a necessary step in the right direction
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4723 Posts
December 03 2017 22:20 GMT
#188051
Step one: everyone puts their head in someone else's ass, instead of their own.
Taxes are for Terrans
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 03 2017 23:11 GMT
#188052
CNN was showing a WaPo poll that Jones is ahead of Moore by 3%, but I'm not sure if other polls say the same.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 03 2017 23:13 GMT
#188053
On December 04 2017 08:11 Doodsmack wrote:
CNN was showing a WaPo poll that Jones is ahead of Moore by 3%, but I'm not sure if other polls say the same.

It appears that it is fairly close but most show Moore ahead.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 03 2017 23:25 GMT
#188054
Most polls showed a bounce-back after the initial week of allegations that put Moore basically back in a (slight) lead I think. Not sure if any have come out since the last 538 article I read, though.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 03 2017 23:28 GMT
#188055
So what happens if moore wins? will even a single republican voter go: "golly gee whiz, maybe I shouldn't support the party that supports rapists and pedophiles!" Or will it be business as usual and we will simply find out as we did with the gianforte thing, that the republican base and party is completely without shame and devoid of morals?
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21592 Posts
December 03 2017 23:34 GMT
#188056
On December 04 2017 08:28 hunts wrote:
So what happens if moore wins? will even a single republican voter go: "golly gee whiz, maybe I shouldn't support the party that supports rapists and pedophiles!" Or will it be business as usual and we will simply find out as we did with the gianforte thing, that the republican base and party is completely without shame and devoid of morals?

The second bit.

Also Alabama
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-03 23:57:36
December 03 2017 23:55 GMT
#188057
On December 04 2017 06:29 Uldridge wrote:
It's at the very least one of the options we'll have


Automation does nothing to solve the allocation of resources problem (and before you mention it, neither does AI) with communism inherent because of no price system. There's also the incompatibility with human nature, but the first problem is good enough to sink the ship.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 03 2017 23:57 GMT
#188058
The argument could be made that the republican party supports rapists and pedophiles becuase the republican base don't care about rapists and pedophiles. Or to paraphrase xdaunt it is because they are the lesser or two evils.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21592 Posts
December 04 2017 00:01 GMT
#188059
On December 04 2017 08:55 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2017 06:29 Uldridge wrote:
It's at the very least one of the options we'll have


Automation does nothing to solve the allocation of resources problem (and before you mention it, neither does AI) with communism inherent because of no price system. There's also the incompatibility with human nature, but the first problem is good enough to sink the ship.

Really? Because I think an advanced AI in charge could make communism work. Precisely because its not shackled by human nature.
But then, all forms of government would probably be improved by handing it over to an AI.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
December 04 2017 00:07 GMT
#188060
On December 04 2017 08:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The argument could be made that the republican party supports rapists and pedophiles becuase the republican base don't care about rapists and pedophiles. Or to paraphrase xdaunt it is because they are the lesser or two evils.

Pedophile< >Man who prosecuted KKK members

The logic makes perfect sense. If your worldview is ass-backwards that is.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
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