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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On December 03 2017 19:07 Danglars wrote: You aren't worse off for not knowing. It is, however, a tell for being an old fuddy duddy. I am in my 20s, I am just anti-social.  | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 03 2017 23:31 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937141061343956992 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937279001684598784 I think if we all stopped using the term Fake News tomorrow, we'd be better off for it. It's become such obviously nationalist propaganda at this point. It never had any meaning to begin with - that's what Teh Donald loves the most about it. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21390 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7814 Posts
On December 04 2017 01:53 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah, fake news was clear enough until the side spreading the fake news muddied the water to stop the impact of the accusation. I have to say that Trump and his supporters dodging the fact that actual bogus news websites got him elected by deflecting it to use the term on CNN or the NYT is quite virtuosic. It was a new phenomenon that questioned demicracy at the age of mass media, it has become another stinky populistic slogan used by the clown in chief to attack people who hold him accountable. I also wonder if when Danglar and co use the term, they are simply insulting our intelligence or if they are too deep into their own bs to see what has happened there (i didn’t say stoopid). | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 04 2017 01:44 NewSunshine wrote: I think if we all stopped using the term Fake News tomorrow, we'd be better off for it. It's become such obviously nationalist propaganda at this point. It never had any meaning to begin with - that's what Teh Donald loves the most about it. It is pretty much just their non Nazi way of shouting lugenpress | ||
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urmomdresslikafloozy
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http://archive.is/6L17q The organization I head, Judicial Watch, asked the FBI on July 7, 2016, for any records that might pertain to the infamous tarmac meeting. We had to sue after we were ignored by the agency. Then the FBI told us flat-out that it couldn’t find any records. And we now know that was flat-out untrue. Because, in responding to another one of our Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits, the Justice Department gave us heavily redacted documents that showed there were additional documents tucked away at the FBI headquarters. If not for Judicial Watch's lawsuits these documents would still be hidden today. Because of the revelation in our other lawsuit, the FBI – without our knowledge—"reopened" our FOIA request. The agency supposedly found about 30 pages of information, which it needed six weeks to review. The FBI finally gave them to us late Thursday. Now we know why the FBI played shell games. The documents show that FBI officials were concerned solely about the leaking of details of the tarmac meeting. None of the documents show top agency officials cared one whit about the propriety of the meeting itself, but only about who blew the whistle on the covert tête-à-tête. In one email, an FBI official writes “we need to find that guy.” And in another we learn that the Phoenix FBI office was contacted “in an attempt to stem any further damage.” An FBI official working on Lynch’s security detail even goes so far as to suggest non-disclosure agreements to keep the full facts from coming forth. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: I have to say that Trump and his supporters dodging the fact that actual bogus news websites got him elected by deflecting it to use the term on CNN or the NYT is quite virtuosic. It was a new phenomenon that questioned demicracy at the age of mass media, it has become another stinky populistic slogan used by the clown in chief to attack people who hold him accountable. I also wonder if when Danglar and co use the term, they are simply insulting our intelligence or if they are too deep into their own bs to see what has happened there (i didn’t say stoopid). I use the term accurately, and Trump does not. Hold your journalists and opinion columnists accountable, boys. Don’t give in to thinking one blowhard invalidates every questions in integrity ... it’s pretty obvious the CNN vs Trump war has plenty to dislike on both sides. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:25 NewSunshine wrote: I have to assume they're using it at least half sarcastically, or perhaps from a "I don't use the term seriously, but this is how people who do think about it" kind of perspective. Because anyone who sincerely labels things as Fake News and thinks they have the makings of intelligent discussion before them are delusional. Some of it is obviously tongue-in-cheek and humorous use. To claim it’s always a serious charge would be Fake News. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:54 Danglars wrote: Some of it is obviously tongue-in-cheek and humorous use. To claim it’s always a serious charge would be Fake News. A new CBS News poll finds 71 percent of Alabama Republicans say the allegations against Roy Moore are false, and those who believe this also overwhelmingly believe Democrats and the media are behind those allegations. www.cbsnews.com Even though they're tongue in cheek it makes it easy for people to dismiss certain allegations like this | ||
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Zambrah
United States7130 Posts
Not saying that plenty of major news networks always properly cite and source and do their homework before publishing, but thats still a step away from Pizzagate actual fabricated stories. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:54 Danglars wrote: Some of it is obviously tongue-in-cheek and humorous use. To claim it’s always a serious charge would be Fake News. It's possible to criticize your country's journalism without co-opting the same inane term that Trump uses. But if my dismissal of the reductive Fake News label offends your sensibilities, I'd understand. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:51 Danglars wrote: I use the term accurately, and Trump does not. Hold your journalists and opinion columnists accountable, boys. Don’t give in to thinking one blowhard invalidates every questions in integrity ... it’s pretty obvious the CNN vs Trump war has plenty to dislike on both sides. So if you were to classify fox and breitbart as A) fake news or B)news which would you pick, and why? | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On December 04 2017 03:29 hunts wrote: So if you were to classify fox and breitbart as A) fake news or B)news which would you pick, and why? False dichotomy. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 04 2017 02:46 urmomdresslikafloozy wrote: The Judicial Watch article about Lynch and Clinton is interesting http://archive.is/6L17q Judicial Watch is the official “But Hillary” arm of the Republican Party and this guys claim is very misleading. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
How so? Or do you just want to say that with no reason and hope for it to be the end of that? | ||
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