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On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread  the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans.
I'm not a liberal and that's quite the deflection you're trying to pull here.
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On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. Not best possible outcome. My primary vote was for the person I thought was the best possible outcome. Trump wasn’t even in my top half of acceptable candidates from the 17 (?). Trump was more of the deserved successor with all the parallels and complements. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint.
seems we have different definitions of ‘appropriate,’ and i am sorry for reading ‘best’ out of it all the same. total fabrication on my part. no idea how i got there, i def thought i was being trolled, but it was just me >.>. looks like i’m done posting early today
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On November 30 2017 01:23 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. I'm not a liberal and that's quite the deflection you're trying to pull here.
Ouch. Welcome to politics. You think, whatever your narrower ideological identification, that I don’t advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances, like those would that are generally called Socialism. That’s usually a liberal position: our policies are the right policies for the white working class, and yours are wrong. The other side insults them for calling them socialist, but are wrong.
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Who does he want to do the investigation... Mueller? Maybe this was his plan all along! 57d chess genius!
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On November 30 2017 01:43 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 01:23 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. I'm not a liberal and that's quite the deflection you're trying to pull here. Ouch. Welcome to politics. You think, whatever your narrower ideological identification, that I don’t advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances, like those would that are generally called Socialism. That’s usually a liberal position: our policies are the right policies for the white working class, and yours are wrong. The other side insults them for calling them socialist, but are wrong.
Well correct me if I'm wrong but I hear conservatism is more about the bootstraps and all. You could do stuff to help them but that takes money, and if you put money in that that's money that's not coming back for your tax cuts, your military spending, and your anti-immigration efficiency.
"narrower ideological identification" lolz.
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On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. Not best possible outcome. My primary vote was for the person I thought was the best possible outcome. Trump wasn’t even in my top half of acceptable candidates from the 17 (?). Trump was more of the deserved successor with all the parallels and complements. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint.
At some point you should just admit that you support Donald Trump. What's the reason for reluctance?
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On November 30 2017 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. Not best possible outcome. My primary vote was for the person I thought was the best possible outcome. Trump wasn’t even in my top half of acceptable candidates from the 17 (?). Trump was more of the deserved successor with all the parallels and complements. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. At some point you should just admit that you support Donald Trump. What's the reason for reluctance?
It's like trying to pray the gay away. If they never admit to it, then it can't be real. Those who support trump but are ashamed or embarrassed or whatever the reason, to just admit it and move on, have to distort reality so that the fuck-up they elected makes sense and they can shift blame to something else.
Getting dangleberry to admit this, is a futile effort. You've a better chance of xD saying he's a neo-nazi sympathizer.
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On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans.
Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term.
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Conservatism, while not inherently bad, is in the long run also assuring you'll become poor, innovators that drive the economy tend to not be conservative. They also aren't hippies but for sure not conservative.
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On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term.
You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors.
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On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors.
pretty sure mass Nationalism has led to some really really shitty things in history
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On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them. it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic. and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else. why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader. part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down. The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors.
It's not like it's hard to find proof of nationalism being inherently bad in the long run throughout history.
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On November 30 2017 02:25 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:
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The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump. really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors. pretty sure mass Nationalism has led to some really really shitty things in history
The problem with y'all on the Left is that you have lost sight of nationalism's better points because you have been brainwashed into falsely equating nationalism with Nazism.
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On November 30 2017 02:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:25 IyMoon wrote:On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
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really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors. pretty sure mass Nationalism has led to some really really shitty things in history The problem with y'all on the Left is that you have lost sight of nationalism's better points because you have been brainwashed into falsely equating nationalism with Nazism.
Or you know.... other things like isolationism that stems from Nationalism
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On November 30 2017 02:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:25 IyMoon wrote:On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
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really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors. pretty sure mass Nationalism has led to some really really shitty things in history The problem with y'all on the Left is that you have lost sight of nationalism's better points because you have been brainwashed into falsely equating nationalism with Nazism.
Ditto about socalism
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I find the "what did you expect white people to do!?" excuse for Trump more telling every day.
Just wish they would own what that means.
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On November 30 2017 02:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2017 02:25 IyMoon wrote:On November 30 2017 02:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 30 2017 02:17 kollin wrote:On November 30 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote:On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
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really? not even someone say, qualified? Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them. I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win. and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing. best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah. i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me. If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint. Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism). Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans. Nationalism is anathema to helping anyone in the long term. You have it backwards. Nationalism is the solution to helping everyone long term. If you truly believe that your liberal ideals are superior, then you should actively promote and support those ideals, with the goal of supplanting all "lesser" competitors. pretty sure mass Nationalism has led to some really really shitty things in history The problem with y'all on the Left is that you have lost sight of nationalism's better points because you have been brainwashed into falsely equating nationalism with Nazism.
Not really.
National traits that are worthy spread by their own merits and inherent virtue. National defects spread through blind devotion to the nation as an ideal. Nationalism is the latter.
That should be obvious to anyone from starting axioms.
I don't need nationalism to appreciate my country's contribution to democracy and justice, democracy and justice speak for themselves. I do need nationalism to ignore my country's contribution to the post-colonial tragedies around the world.
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