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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 29 2017 14:50 GMT
#187081
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2017 14:51 GMT
#187082
Me thinks this is Trump's tried and true tactic of diversion as something could be about to drop and knowing the US media has the attention span of a 3 year old as well as the public they will talk about this rather than actual news.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 14:53:41
November 29 2017 14:52 GMT
#187083
On November 29 2017 23:46 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 22:15 doomdonker wrote:
On November 29 2017 21:17 Plansix wrote:
The Bush administration was the test bed for the Republican master plan: How dysfunctional can we make government and still have people vote for us." It seems right up to the point when they crash the economy, but they can make a big come back after the fist black president is elected.

As John Stewart said "They claimed government is bad and doomed to fail to get elected, and then they made government fail."



The Britain First he's retweeting are actual neo-Nazis. Like actual "walk through the street to get rid of foreign filth" fascists.

If there was any doubt that Donald Trump finds comfort in the company of fascists, this should remove that doubt.

A Britain First terrorist murdered one of our MPs last year. As in they shouted "Britain First!" while doing it. These are the guys Trump is supporting.


But see, we have to unify because Donald Trump has some good points and brought attention to some important things and leftists willing to lose friendships over this are just petty and immature.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44262 Posts
November 29 2017 14:53 GMT
#187084
The issue isn't that he's openly supporting right wing terror groups, it's that apparently half the country is fine with that because they know that it pisses off the other half.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24297 Posts
November 29 2017 15:04 GMT
#187085
On November 29 2017 23:53 KwarK wrote:
The issue isn't that he's openly supporting right wing terror groups, it's that apparently half the country is fine with that because they know that it pisses off the other half.


And the grand solution to make it stop is to pretend that it isn't happening. Because, you know, there's no way that could go horribly wrong. It's not like these geniuses haven't already made reference to Japanese internment camps to justify shit policy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2017 15:11 GMT
#187086
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 29 2017 15:20 GMT
#187087
On November 29 2017 22:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


6+16 = 22% approval? What am I missing here, how does he get to 26...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44262 Posts
November 29 2017 15:32 GMT
#187088
On November 30 2017 00:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 22:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/935869813502685184


6+16 = 22% approval? What am I missing here, how does he get to 26...

He went to school in America, be nice to him.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46310 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 15:34:44
November 29 2017 15:33 GMT
#187089
Yeah that's probably just a typo or arithmetic error.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 29 2017 15:37 GMT
#187090
Oh man, looks like Moore is actually going to win.

Last two polls on RCP have him up 5 / 6 (JMC/Emerson)
Something witty
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 15:41:07
November 29 2017 15:39 GMT
#187091
On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:
that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread
the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them.

it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic.
and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else.

why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader.

part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down.

The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump.

really? not even someone say, qualified?

Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them.

I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win.


and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing.

best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah.

i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me.

Not best possible outcome. My primary vote was for the person I thought was the best possible outcome. Trump wasn’t even in my top half of acceptable candidates from the 17 (?). Trump was more of the deserved successor with all the parallels and complements.

If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2017 15:39 GMT
#187092
Of course he is it is Alabama.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
bdonballer
Profile Joined October 2014
United States408 Posts
November 29 2017 15:39 GMT
#187093
The other 11% were probably undocumented
I carry hard!
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12523 Posts
November 29 2017 15:47 GMT
#187094
On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:
that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread
the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them.

it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic.
and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else.

why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader.

part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down.

The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump.

really? not even someone say, qualified?

Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them.

I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win.


and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing.

best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah.

i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me.


If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint.


Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism).
No will to live, no wish to die
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 29 2017 15:52 GMT
#187095
On November 30 2017 00:37 IyMoon wrote:
Oh man, looks like Moore is actually going to win.

Last two polls on RCP have him up 5 / 6 (JMC/Emerson)

I expect him to win by 4%. Turnout will be lower than support, but Alabama is still fundamentally a redneck shit hole.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 29 2017 15:57 GMT
#187096
On November 30 2017 00:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 22:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/935869813502685184


6+16 = 22% approval? What am I missing here, how does he get to 26...

Bottom of the story has a margin of error at 3.92%, might have been offering the 26% - an objectively bad response - "best" case scenario and did a poor job of conveying it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2017 16:01 GMT
#187097
The campaign ads write themselves.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 29 2017 16:04 GMT
#187098
On November 30 2017 01:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The campaign ads write themselves.

https://twitter.com/nielslesniewski/status/935894631136579584


Since when is Eminem a politician? He's looking sharp.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2017 16:08 GMT
#187099
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 29 2017 16:19 GMT
#187100
On November 30 2017 00:47 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2017 00:39 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:47 brian wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:43 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:23 brian wrote:
On November 29 2017 23:03 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 22:43 zlefin wrote:
that's a pretty weak provocation, we have much better trolls in the thread
the opposition method of dealing with it is imperfect, but passable. and at any rate, compared to the ridiculousness the republicans are doing, the dems come out looking like angels. the right went super crazy, and that's all on them.

it's also objectively true that a lot of trump votes are idiotic.
and poor discussion quality is more a result of it being the internet than anything else.

why does the world need a leader at all? I don't see any reason why the world needs a leader.

part of the US is trying to up its game, but it's the republicans who're blocking it; only so much to be done when one side insists on dragging you down.

The Russians are pikers compared to “the opposition’s way of dealing with it.” I can really think of no more appropriate successor to Obama than Trump.

really? not even someone say, qualified?

Opposition to Obama on policy was called racist. Then you got somebody that doesn’t flee from the term. He didn’t moderate his agenda in the face of legislative backlash, but used executive orders. Trump can’t do jack in terms of legislation, but has signed executive orders making the first dents in the regulatory state for a generation. Obama embraced minority+women identity politics (particularly in the second term), Trump embraces white identity politics. Obama represented the liberal ideal of right side of history/March of progress, and Trump was the greatest repudiation of the leftist vision possible. Obama exploited and grew the cracks in American society for political gain, and Trump capitalized on them.

I wanted a less fitting successor (primary process), but one better for my agenda, and thought Trump couldn’t win.


and sincerely, this is the best possible outcome you think? imo that’s very embarrassing.

best outcome would’ve been maybe a president with enough integrity to have american identity politics. and again, you know, qualified, at a minimum. we could ask for more too, but apparently we are setting our bar low enough to trip over. to call that ‘best’? hah.

i hate actually saying this because it’s already been said a dozen times, but the only way your post makes any sense as a real belief is starting with the position of being totally drowning in white grievance. that your definition of ‘best’ is ‘taking back the country from minorities and women’ has just got to be a joke. ur trolllin me. fk you got me.


If you talk about problems in largely white and rural communities, coastal elites and mass media dismiss it as “white grievance.” Well, look whose chickens came home to roost. I feel sorry for the country, but I don’t have the least bit of pity for that sort of person/viewpoint.


Quite the distance between the amount of times you're annoyed that their grievances are being dismissed and the amount of times you'd advocate for policies that would actually address their grievances (cause you know, that'd be Socialism).

Imagine my shock that a liberal thinks conservative (or in Trump’s case, nationalist populist) policies don’t help Americans.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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