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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 22:47:01
November 17 2017 22:46 GMT
#185321
On November 18 2017 07:33 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2017 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On November 18 2017 07:22 IgnE wrote:
On November 18 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:


Hatch blew up at all the class warfare going on in his committee.


i wish i could have paid for law school by being a janitor

Back when you could buy the land for a house for about $3000 and build it for about 10-15K in the suburbs of Boston.

Back when the minimum wage would have been well over 10$/hr today, instead of $7.50

I just did a quick search on my own house. The initial 2 acre plot was bought for $9000 in 1975. The entire house was built for 80K. You would be lucky to buy the land itself for 80K these days.

Hatch is so full of shit it is coming out his ears.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 22:50:39
November 17 2017 22:49 GMT
#185322
On November 18 2017 07:34 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2017 07:22 IgnE wrote:
On November 18 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/931387205578317827

Hatch blew up at all the class warfare going on in his committee.


i wish i could have paid for law school by being a janitor

Among the kids I graduated with, those who did not donate hundreds of hours in unpaid internships have shown themselves to be at severe disadvantage. Makes Hatch's statement all the more ridiculous lol


it's also sad because those who work to put themselves through school these days tend to be the ones who are also less prepared for school and more likely to drop out. in comparison, it's almost a luxury (privilege might be a better word) to be be able to do low paid/ unpaid work that will boost your resume. there's not really a bootstraps story to be told here.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2017 23:04 GMT
#185323
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6211 Posts
November 17 2017 23:12 GMT
#185324
On November 18 2017 08:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/931621949213761541


So grab them by the pussy isn't an admission. Got it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21569 Posts
November 17 2017 23:14 GMT
#185325
On November 18 2017 08:12 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2017 08:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/931621949213761541


So grab them by the pussy isn't an admission. Got it.

No, what Trump did wasn't wrong. As a rich guy it was his right to grab them by the pussy.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 17 2017 23:17 GMT
#185326
On November 18 2017 08:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/931621949213761541

That bold play may not be paying off. We will have to see how the rest of this plays out Cotten.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 17 2017 23:27 GMT
#185327
On November 18 2017 07:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Right. He joked about perjuring himself. Mmhmm.

Pretty funny segment though, thanks for sharing!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 17 2017 23:50 GMT
#185328
I can understand the deflections to Hillary about Trump. They were direct competitors for the same office and it was only a year ago.

But I cannot for the life of me understand the deflections from Moore to Bill Clinton. It was almost 20 years ago when Clinton left office and I was 8. Like, do you expect young people to take a time machine back to 96 to vote him out?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 23:56:23
November 17 2017 23:53 GMT
#185329
On November 18 2017 08:50 Nevuk wrote:
I can understand the deflections to Hillary about Trump. They were direct competitors for the same office and it was only a year ago.

But I cannot for the life of me understand the deflections from Moore to Bill Clinton. It was almost 20 years ago when Clinton left office and I was 8. Like, do you expect young people to take a time machine back to 96 to vote him out?

on average, young people vote far less than old people; and old people will remember. or maybe whataboutism needs to find a target, so they find the closest one they can, even if they have to go back quite aways. just guessing some explanations.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23028 Posts
November 18 2017 00:07 GMT
#185330
On November 18 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/931387205578317827

Hatch blew up at all the class warfare going on in his committee.


He didn't even grow up "poor". He grew up middle class af. His mom didn't work, and him and his dad were part of the AFL-CIO.

His own bio on his site says he was a metal lather (a job he probably got because his daddy was in the union). He didn't pay for law school, he was on a full ride. He did manage to keep his job in the union as a metal lather and then additionally took on a janitorial job (and a desk clerk) to take care of the family he was raising with his wife who also didn't work.

I suspect a privileged life like that is what a lot of people in the Senate think of as "the poors"

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21569 Posts
November 18 2017 00:09 GMT
#185331
On November 18 2017 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/931387205578317827

Hatch blew up at all the class warfare going on in his committee.


He didn't even grow up "poor". He grew up middle class af. His mom didn't work, and him and his dad were part of the AFL-CIO.

His own bio on his site says he was a metal lather (a job he probably got because his daddy was in the union). He didn't pay for law school, he was on a full ride. He did manage to keep his job in the union as a metal lather and then additionally took on a janitorial job (and a desk clerk) to take care of the family he was raising with his wife who also didn't work.

I suspect a privileged life like that is what a lot of people in the Senate think of as "the poors"


Romney's 'I once used a door as a table so I was poor to".
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-18 00:15:17
November 18 2017 00:15 GMT
#185332
Upper middle class is basically where society for people like this starts so everybody else is completely out of their mindset. Given that the lower income half of the households does not pay taxes at all it's clear that is always aimed at people already relatively high up on the scale. Everybody who is genuinely impoverished has no real representation.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35125 Posts
November 18 2017 00:16 GMT
#185333
On November 18 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/931387205578317827

Hatch blew up at all the class warfare going on in his committee.

I dunno, sounded like a bunch of rich butthurt to me.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23028 Posts
November 18 2017 00:18 GMT
#185334
African-American men serve longer sentences than white men for the same crime, a new study by the U.S Sentencing Commission shows.

The commission's analysis of demographic prison data from 2012 to 2016 found that black men serve sentences that are on average 19.1 percent longer than those for white men for similar crimes.

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.

When accounting for violence in an offender's past, black men received sentences that were on average 20.4 percent longer than that of white men, according to the commission's analysis of fiscal year 2016 data, the only year for which such data is available.

Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 18 2017 00:37 GMT
#185335
On November 18 2017 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
African-American men serve longer sentences than white men for the same crime, a new study by the U.S Sentencing Commission shows.

The commission's analysis of demographic prison data from 2012 to 2016 found that black men serve sentences that are on average 19.1 percent longer than those for white men for similar crimes.

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.

When accounting for violence in an offender's past, black men received sentences that were on average 20.4 percent longer than that of white men, according to the commission's analysis of fiscal year 2016 data, the only year for which such data is available.

Source

Water is wet, despite many members of congress, law enforcement and Americans in general claiming it isn't.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 18 2017 00:43 GMT
#185336
I want to hear more about how the kneeling was about disrespect to the flag and our nation, and not about what black people deal with in their every encounter with police and the penal system.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23028 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-18 00:55:23
November 18 2017 00:52 GMT
#185337
On November 18 2017 09:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2017 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
African-American men serve longer sentences than white men for the same crime, a new study by the U.S Sentencing Commission shows.

The commission's analysis of demographic prison data from 2012 to 2016 found that black men serve sentences that are on average 19.1 percent longer than those for white men for similar crimes.

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.

When accounting for violence in an offender's past, black men received sentences that were on average 20.4 percent longer than that of white men, according to the commission's analysis of fiscal year 2016 data, the only year for which such data is available.

Source

Water is wet, despite many members of congress, law enforcement and Americans in general claiming it isn't.


You use "wet" so much to include everything from a blood soaked carpet, to vaginas, to PCP. The word basically has no meaning, so saying water is wet is dumb and I don't believe you.

Show me the statistics that prove water is wet and not moist or a neuro-illusion combining sensations of cold and texture to trick us into perceiving "wetness".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2017 00:55 GMT
#185338
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2017 01:17 GMT
#185339
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
November 18 2017 01:26 GMT
#185340
On November 18 2017 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931685146415255552

I wonder which one of his newfound friends told him it was unfair?
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
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