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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 16 2017 00:23 GMT
#184941
On November 16 2017 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I think challenging the meritocracy might be effective on some if you ask them how much smarter, harder working they think Trump is than them and if that's why he's x times more wealthy than they are. (this works best on anti-trumpers)

Relevant.

I will say that before his post-Trump-election return, Plansix’s thoughts on welfare and the merits of “working hard” as an indicator of success were very insightful and showed some very interesting thoughts on the validity or lack thereof of “personal responsibility” and “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” conservative mantras. That’s probably the direction I would go to answer xDaunt’s question.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 16 2017 00:29 GMT
#184942
On November 16 2017 00:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Kind of the expected response (minor marginal boost). Businesses are profitable and financing has been cheap for a decade. If you wanted to boost cap ex you would have already done so.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2017 00:36 GMT
#184943


I'm enjoying the Moores constant complaining about reporters doing their job.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44248 Posts
November 16 2017 00:40 GMT
#184944
On November 16 2017 08:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Unfortunately the allegation is that he likes them before they "become women".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 16 2017 00:49 GMT
#184945
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2017 01:08 GMT
#184946
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24278 Posts
November 16 2017 01:51 GMT
#184947
On November 16 2017 10:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/930946610896437253


I like how they refer to the leader of the country being imprisoned by the military as they round up associates for prison/banishment/death as the "current political situation in Zimbabwe".

I'm not a fan of trophy hunting in general (eat what you kill and not outsourcing your animal killings are things I support) but it is basically the only thing keeping some of these animals around (because humans are assholes). Elephants certainly seem more friendly than lions but they can eat hundreds of pounds of crops in a few hours devastating entire villages and old bulls can kill off younger fertile males, negatively impacting saving the species.

Now, wouldn't be an issue if we weren't replacing their habitat with farms and towns in the first place, but here we are. The only way we've worked out how to both expand humanity and protect the wildlife is what is being used here. I'm open and supportive to better alternatives, but they are few and far between.

So if being able to put the actual head on your wall means you're willing to spend another $100k to preserve the species it's better than the head rotting (or probably being sold elsewhere without contributing to the conservation funds)
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 16 2017 01:59 GMT
#184948


All I can say is, I have no idea how Roy Moore avoided getting the shit kicked out of him by any of the victims' family members.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 16 2017 02:15 GMT
#184949
lol didnt take long to reach the point where accusers talk about first date kisses
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 16 2017 02:18 GMT
#184950
On November 16 2017 10:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/930971647460470784

All I can say is, I have no idea how Roy Moore avoided getting the shit kicked out of him by any of the victims' family members.

how do you know he didn't?

I mean, it could happen, and he simply didn't report it; if injuries aren't to the face and aren't too severe they may not be that apparent, and can easily be explained away to anyone who asks.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44248 Posts
November 16 2017 02:27 GMT
#184951
Plus in Alabama you can probably get away with saying it was a jealous ex without it strictly being a lie.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2017 02:40 GMT
#184952


Highlights:

This week, the 78-year-old Koskinen began his third retirement. And he says the IRS is still a distressed organization. “When Eisenhower left office, his message was: Beware the military-industrial complex,” Koskinen said. “My message is: Beware the collapse of the IRS.”

But its problems, Koskinen said, have nothing to do with politics; a recent inspector general report found no evidence of political bias in the agency’s decisions. Koskinen believes its real problems stem from underfunding and understaffing, which have imperiled its ability to nail tax evaders and collect the tax revenues that fund the government.

In an hourlong conversation with POLITICO Magazine’s Michael Grunwald, Koskinen also discussed Democratic concerns that President Trump and his appointees could breach the independence of the IRS, using the agency to harass or persecute his enemies. Koskinen doesn’t share those concerns—not because of his faith in Trump, but because of his faith in the IRS staff and the strict rules governing the integrity of its audits and investigations.

Koskinen basically believes the IRS and its professional culture are virtually impregnable to political agendas. He hasn’t spoken to Trump or anyone in the White House in 2017, even though he’s known the president since they negotiated the sale of the Commodore Hotel in New York City in 1975. He’s never looked up Trump’s tax returns—legally, he can’t, and neither can any other IRS employee who isn’t working on them—and says the agency not only keeps them in a locked cabinet in a locked room, but is replacing the cabinet with a safe.


To be honest, I am shocked they didn't have a safe from day one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2017 03:16 GMT
#184953
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 16 2017 03:21 GMT
#184954
Another hour, another roy moore accuser.

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 03:40:14
November 16 2017 03:34 GMT
#184955
On November 16 2017 09:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2017 07:46 xDaunt wrote:
Here's a question for my Leftist friends around here: Let's say, hypothetically, that you had access to, and the ear of, a group of conservatives, and you really wanted to challenge their fundamental principles. What issues and/or articles (not books -- that takes too long) would you confront them with? For example, I think that the easiest issue to screw with the average conservative on is healthcare. What others do you think are good ones and why?


Is this related to me asking you what other ways to address US wealth inequality you might support besides socialized healthcare?

No. As much as I may like masturbation, I don’t really want advice on how to screw with myself.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2017 04:18 GMT
#184956
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 16 2017 04:54 GMT
#184957
When Hannity's turned on you, you're pretty fucked. They're both wastes of space, but at least the former is useful for knowing at what point people start turning out of practicality, even if their morals are vacant.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
November 16 2017 04:57 GMT
#184958
On November 16 2017 13:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/930993888650842112

Bleeding major advertisers starting to poke him where it hurts?
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
November 16 2017 08:06 GMT
#184959
I don't really see Moore stepping aside, he doesn't seem the type. And his actions so far indicate that he doesn't plan to.

This is going to be good.
No will to live, no wish to die
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 08:56:03
November 16 2017 08:51 GMT
#184960
On November 16 2017 06:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


I think I see what happened here. I hope it's not paid for deliberately by Mr Moore himself in order to make the above statement, though, but rather an unhappy coincidence with an independent malicious actor.

http://wkrg.com/2017/11/14/curious-robocall-seeks-damaging-information-on-moore/

Hi, this is Bernie Bernstein, I’m a reporter for the Washington Post calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5000 and $7000 dollars. We will not be fully investigating these claims however we will make a written report. I can be reached by email at albernstein@washingtonpost.com, thank you.

This is someone making robocalls faking to be a Washington Post reporter (and, incidentally, making it sound rather stereotypically Jewish in both the name and the tone of the voice).
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
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