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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7928 Posts
November 16 2017 09:28 GMT
#184961
On November 16 2017 10:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

What really pains me is that I desperately want to understand what the GOP is and is doing from a neutral point of view, but keep coming to the conclusion they are just evil assholes, cartoon villain style.

I simply can’t remember when is the last time i heard the GOP take a position that was not fucking outrageous on basically any subject. There is an issue? Chose the single worst position possible et voilà! you succesfully predicted what the Trump administration is gonna do.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 11:47:16
November 16 2017 11:47 GMT
#184962
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
November 16 2017 14:18 GMT
#184963
On November 16 2017 18:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2017 10:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/930946610896437253

What really pains me is that I desperately want to understand what the GOP is and is doing from a neutral point of view, but keep coming to the conclusion they are just evil assholes, cartoon villain style.

I simply can’t remember when is the last time i heard the GOP take a position that was not fucking outrageous on basically any subject. There is an issue? Chose the single worst position possible et voilà! you succesfully predicted what the Trump administration is gonna do.


Well before the Trump era, I've always found the moral-relativism of Republicans on issues such as this, environmental etc, to be hysterically hypocritical in relation to their "social issue" dogma. We want to wax sanctity about fetuses and the like, but we will never let common protests impede almighty business from venturing over all life as we know it.
Big water
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 14:51 GMT
#184964
On November 16 2017 20:47 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/931015514662621185


I think it is generally assumed that we aren't at war for some totally benign reason. If we are sending a bunch of dudes to get killed in some foreign country, it is probably not the sort of program you cut from a budget.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2017 15:31 GMT
#184965
On November 16 2017 23:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2017 20:47 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/931015514662621185


I think it is generally assumed that we aren't at war for some totally benign reason. If we are sending a bunch of dudes to get killed in some foreign country, it is probably not the sort of program you cut from a budget.

But we are at war, even if the leadership likes to pretend otherwise. We are bombing several countries at this time. Assisting in Syria and still have troops deployed in Afghanistan. The current Republicans are just like the ones during the Bush era that doesn’t want to pull out of these wars, but also don’t want to levy the taxes necessary to support them. So much so that the pentagon is saying that the tax cuts are irresponsible.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 16 2017 15:35 GMT
#184966
On November 16 2017 18:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2017 10:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/930946610896437253

What really pains me is that I desperately want to understand what the GOP is and is doing from a neutral point of view, but keep coming to the conclusion they are just evil assholes, cartoon villain style.

I simply can’t remember when is the last time i heard the GOP take a position that was not fucking outrageous on basically any subject. There is an issue? Chose the single worst position possible et voilà! you succesfully predicted what the Trump administration is gonna do.

they pretty much are these days. you'd have to go back aways to find something different, or look at some of the state GOP orgs that are more reasonable (typically the ones in more left-leaning states where they have to be somewhat different in order to have a chance).

of course you tend to hear about the crazy stuff more than the not-crazy stuff; so there might be a few sane positions that you don't hear about because they're boring and/or universally agreed upon so there's not much to say.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
November 16 2017 15:45 GMT
#184967


Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.
Big water
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43352 Posts
November 16 2017 15:53 GMT
#184968
Assuming the story accurately represents events he should resign.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 15:53 GMT
#184969
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.

Never liked him. So long, jackass!
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 16 2017 15:53 GMT
#184970
We are living through the greatest epoch of schadenfreude in human history.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 16 2017 15:54 GMT
#184971
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?
Something witty
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
November 16 2017 15:56 GMT
#184972
Helping darken the line between politician and entertainer is a needed and good thing, party identification of the accused notwithstanding.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 16 2017 15:56 GMT
#184973
On November 17 2017 00:53 xDaunt wrote:
We are living through the greatest epoch of schadenfreude in human history.


I feel like Oprah is just handing it out on her show. And the R's get some... and now the D's! and back to the R's!!!! EVERYONE GETS SOME SCHADENFREUDE
Something witty
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
November 16 2017 15:56 GMT
#184974
Franken had been in my mental top 5 for "who on the hill is a predator?" since those stories started. Now that one (sitting congressman) has been named, let's get the rest?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 15:58:39
November 16 2017 15:58 GMT
#184975
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?


Doesn't it depend on the amount of backlash and what the person feels like doing? It doesn't sound like there's any legal action coming so he can finish out his term if he wants, but probably with no Dem support and no Dem funding. With $15 million paid out because of congressional sexual harassers I can't imagine anyone is willing to point the figure and try to forcibly remove him from office.
Logo
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 16 2017 15:59 GMT
#184976
So whom do we want to appoint to lead the #metoo inquisition?
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
November 16 2017 16:01 GMT
#184977
fuck al franken. i admired him. he was a loud, frank, progressive voice on a lot of important things. what a disappointment. get outttt
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 16 2017 16:02 GMT
#184978
On November 17 2017 00:59 xDaunt wrote:
So whom do we want to appoint to lead the #metoo inquisition?

Ted Cruz. We know he is into incest porn, good enough of an alibi for me
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2017 16:02 GMT
#184979
On November 17 2017 00:59 xDaunt wrote:
So whom do we want to appoint to lead the #metoo inquisition?

Obviously Anita Hill.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 16:03 GMT
#184980
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?
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