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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 16 2017 16:04 GMT
#184981
What do people feel about all these things and Trump? Is he sweating harder if some sitting politicians have to go because of this stuff? Or does he not care because how could this all hurt him if he got elected with 13 people already accusing him.
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 16 2017 16:04 GMT
#184982
On November 17 2017 01:03 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:


Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?

He appeared to give a shit and wasn’t so full of himself that he was unwilling to listen to experts.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 16 2017 16:05 GMT
#184983
On November 17 2017 01:04 IyMoon wrote:
What do people feel about all these things and Trump? Is he sweating harder if some sitting politicians have to go because of this stuff? Or does he not care because how could this all hurt him if he got elected with 13 people already accusing him.


Something in between the latter and being too egotistical to think anything bad could happen to him.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 16 2017 16:06 GMT
#184984
On November 17 2017 01:04 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:03 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?

He appeared to give a shit and wasn’t so full of himself that he was unwilling to listen to experts.


If I had to make a list of Senators who I thought actually cared about people and would admit they were wrong, I would put Al on that list.
Something witty
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 16 2017 16:08 GMT
#184985
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 16:09 GMT
#184986
On November 17 2017 01:06 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:04 Plansix wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:03 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?

He appeared to give a shit and wasn’t so full of himself that he was unwilling to listen to experts.


If I had to make a list of Senators who I thought actually cared about people and would admit they were wrong, I would put Al on that list.


That is not even close to sufficient background to be president.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43350 Posts
November 16 2017 16:10 GMT
#184987
On November 17 2017 01:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:06 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:04 Plansix wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:03 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?

He appeared to give a shit and wasn’t so full of himself that he was unwilling to listen to experts.


If I had to make a list of Senators who I thought actually cared about people and would admit they were wrong, I would put Al on that list.


That is not even close to sufficient background to be president.

And yet somehow still a bar our current president can't clear.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 16 2017 16:13 GMT
#184988
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 16:13 GMT
#184989
On November 17 2017 01:10 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:09 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:06 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:04 Plansix wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:03 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:54 IyMoon wrote:
On November 17 2017 00:45 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/LeeannTweeden/status/931176738586890241

Biggest personal disappointment since Dustin Hoffman. Even if the photo is a joke -- way wrong. And the way she describes his kissing her is pretty bad. It's looking like the end for Al Franken.


God damn it Al! there goes a potential dem runner for 2020.

What is the correct protocol for this stuff? Do they finish out their term and then don't run again? Do they get removed?

What?! Why in the world would you have wanted him to be president?

He appeared to give a shit and wasn’t so full of himself that he was unwilling to listen to experts.


If I had to make a list of Senators who I thought actually cared about people and would admit they were wrong, I would put Al on that list.


That is not even close to sufficient background to be president.

And yet somehow still a bar our current president can't clear.


Clearly, but we should be holding ourselves to higher standards than " he yells things I agree with"
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7927 Posts
November 16 2017 16:16 GMT
#184990
On November 17 2017 00:59 xDaunt wrote:
So whom do we want to appoint to lead the #metoo inquisition?

If course, women talking about sexual aggressions is inquisition to you.

If a big sweaty dude you can’t fight against had raped you in the ass or even simply groped the hell out of you, I’m sure you wouldn’t care either. Or maybe you would?

I don’t like all aspects of the me too campaign. But it comes from somewhere and we had it coming. Instead of accusing victims of being the inquisition, maybe you can start to think about the fact that being a woman is still sometimes not fun at all.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 16 2017 16:17 GMT
#184991
On November 17 2017 01:13 Nevuk wrote:
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.


Yeah I could see this basically going nowhere to going full out disgrace even without more accusations. Surely the alt-right is going to suddenly pretend to be righteous and bandwagon for his dismissal (and so soon after defending Moore), but it's hard to read how much the general person is going to care if it's an isolated incident and he somehow makes good on apologizing and what not.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43350 Posts
November 16 2017 16:19 GMT
#184992
There aren't so few competent liberal voices in the country that we have to settle for ones who don't assault women too often or too badly. We can do better.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 16 2017 16:23 GMT
#184993
On November 17 2017 00:53 xDaunt wrote:
We are living through the greatest epoch of schadenfreude in human history.

Being content with people getting outed for their outrageous behaviour has about as much to do with Schadenfreude as Idra with being cool, calm and collected.
passive quaranstream fan
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 16:25:18
November 16 2017 16:24 GMT
#184994
On November 17 2017 01:17 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:13 Nevuk wrote:
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.


Yeah I could see this basically going nowhere to going full out disgrace even without more accusations. Surely the alt-right is going to suddenly pretend to be righteous and bandwagon for his dismissal (and so soon after defending Moore), but it's hard to read how much the general person is going to care if it's an isolated incident and he somehow makes good on apologizing and what not.

are we reading the same piece? even assuming the kiss practice (with tongue lol ok) was a ‘rehearsal’ (is he that out of practice?) surely being rebuffed, going home, passing out, and having her tits honked weren’t part of the script.

if only he’d resign ahead of the election so voters can see what a functioning party looks like..
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 16 2017 16:28 GMT
#184995
On November 17 2017 01:24 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:17 Logo wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:13 Nevuk wrote:
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.


Yeah I could see this basically going nowhere to going full out disgrace even without more accusations. Surely the alt-right is going to suddenly pretend to be righteous and bandwagon for his dismissal (and so soon after defending Moore), but it's hard to read how much the general person is going to care if it's an isolated incident and he somehow makes good on apologizing and what not.

are we reading the same piece? even assuming the kiss practice (with tongue lol ok) was a ‘rehearsal’ (is he that out of practice?) surely being rebuffed, going home, passing out, and having her tits honked weren’t part of the script.

if only he’d resign ahead of the election so voters can see what a functioning party looks like..


I wasn't passing any judgement on how bad the allegations were, only on how much people will care.

Remember, for reference, a child molester is staying in his senate race and people are still debating whether or not he has a chance at winning.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7927 Posts
November 16 2017 16:30 GMT
#184996
On November 17 2017 01:28 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:24 brian wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:17 Logo wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:13 Nevuk wrote:
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.


Yeah I could see this basically going nowhere to going full out disgrace even without more accusations. Surely the alt-right is going to suddenly pretend to be righteous and bandwagon for his dismissal (and so soon after defending Moore), but it's hard to read how much the general person is going to care if it's an isolated incident and he somehow makes good on apologizing and what not.

are we reading the same piece? even assuming the kiss practice (with tongue lol ok) was a ‘rehearsal’ (is he that out of practice?) surely being rebuffed, going home, passing out, and having her tits honked weren’t part of the script.

if only he’d resign ahead of the election so voters can see what a functioning party looks like..


I wasn't passing any judgement on how bad the allegations were, only on how much people will care.

Remember, for reference, a child molester is staying in his senate race and people are still debating whether or not he has a chance at winning.

At least we can have a good laugh next time the usual suspects explain us that the defense of morality is a cornerstone of conservatism.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9633 Posts
November 16 2017 16:37 GMT
#184997
On November 17 2017 01:28 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 01:24 brian wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:17 Logo wrote:
On November 17 2017 01:13 Nevuk wrote:
I will admit I want to see if more accusations come out. If it is true this is about a rehearsal for a comedy skit, it isn't quite as bad. However, most of these men have had a history of sexual predation that has made their actions obviously over the line.

I won't be at all surprised if there are more, though.


Yeah I could see this basically going nowhere to going full out disgrace even without more accusations. Surely the alt-right is going to suddenly pretend to be righteous and bandwagon for his dismissal (and so soon after defending Moore), but it's hard to read how much the general person is going to care if it's an isolated incident and he somehow makes good on apologizing and what not.

are we reading the same piece? even assuming the kiss practice (with tongue lol ok) was a ‘rehearsal’ (is he that out of practice?) surely being rebuffed, going home, passing out, and having her tits honked weren’t part of the script.

if only he’d resign ahead of the election so voters can see what a functioning party looks like..


I wasn't passing any judgement on how bad the allegations were, only on how much people will care.

Remember, for reference, a child molester is staying in his senate race and people are still debating whether or not he has a chance at winning.

i hadn’t forgotten, thus the last line. feels like a good time to show people how a functioning political party works- leaving no room for sexual assault or child molestation. a stain on the democratic party is only going to serve to mobilize a few more alabama voters, even if it is with no sense of hypocrisy whatsoever. doing the right thing instead may have them stay home to do the same.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-16 16:55:22
November 16 2017 16:53 GMT
#184998
On November 16 2017 18:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2017 10:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

What really pains me is that I desperately want to understand what the GOP is and is doing from a neutral point of view, but keep coming to the conclusion they are just evil assholes, cartoon villain style.

I simply can’t remember when is the last time i heard the GOP take a position that was not fucking outrageous on basically any subject. There is an issue? Chose the single worst position possible et voilà! you succesfully predicted what the Trump administration is gonna do.

Read the previous page for a post by GH on the issue.

I'm not surprised that frankin had skeletons in his closet from his SNL days. I don't know why anyone else is. I don't see how this is banish him forever now but Women shouldn't be afraid of ever reporting stuff like this let alone liveing with it inside them for so long.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 16 2017 17:18 GMT
#184999
Franken being accused of this isn't anything particularly special. First off, it's not entirely surprising. Second, it's not a blow to the Democratic Party in any major way, since he isn't some huge star in the party and I haven't heard a single word here in Minnesota about him being a presidential candidate or doing anything else particularly special in the party. Minnesota is a state where the governor chooses the replacement, so governor Dayton would be able to pick a solid Democratic candidate to fill his vacancy. Even with a short term, it would be pretty difficult for Republicans to win his seat in an election. Republicans weren't able to win statewide elections in Minnesota even with the Trump surge last year, and the backlash to the Trump administration in Minnesota is pretty incredible.

He should step down, governor Dayton should replace him, and the party won't really be hurt by this in any way. It'll probably even look good when compared to the Moore debacle.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 16 2017 17:22 GMT
#185000
On November 17 2017 02:18 Stratos_speAr wrote:
He should step down, governor Dayton should replace him, and the party won't really be hurt by this in any way. It'll probably even look good when compared to the Moore debacle.


I have zero problem with just tossing Franken straight under the bus for the sake of showing off difference in party ideals.
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