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{CC}StealthBlue
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brian
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xDaunt
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Jockmcplop
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On November 16 2017 07:46 xDaunt wrote: Here's a question for my Leftist friends around here: Let's say, hypothetically, that you had access to, and the ear of, a group of conservatives, and you really wanted to challenge their fundamental principles. What issues and/or articles (not books -- that takes too long) would you confront them with? For example, I think that the easiest issue to screw with the average conservative on is healthcare. What others do you think are good ones and why? Healthcare is a good one. Tax avoidance and legal loopholes in the financial system for sure. The free market works when the people who set up the laws that govern the system aren't the same people benefiting from those laws disproportionately. Free market capitalism is undermined by this to the point of being rotten. | ||
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IyMoon
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On November 16 2017 07:46 xDaunt wrote: Here's a question for my Leftist friends around here: Let's say, hypothetically, that you had access to, and the ear of, a group of conservatives, and you really wanted to challenge their fundamental principles. What issues and/or articles (not books -- that takes too long) would you confront them with? For example, I think that the easiest issue to screw with the average conservative on is healthcare. What others do you think are good ones and why? Probably emails from police chiefs that show racist acts. it is hard to say that police don't discriminate when looking at things like that. And because they are from the police chiefs own emails or from video. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-chief-frank-nucera-caught-saying-racist-things-about-n816836 Probably something like that | ||
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Plansix
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Healthcare is pretty good too, since it isn’t really a good by most metrics. Adam Smith also helps there, since the price of the good isn't transparent. Another is how easily people are manipulated through as shown through neuroscience. A lot of the limited regulation conservatives resolves around self determination and personal responsibility. But showing that companies like facebook and every other marketing firm are spending billions to simulate the positive response gambling gives people is fucking terrifying. | ||
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And that website is beautiful. I almost want to mess around with the chat just to see if they will respond. | ||
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On November 16 2017 08:06 farvacola wrote: Roy Moore's lawyer describes himself as having attended Birmingham School of Law, a non-ABA-accredited law school, the rumors are true. He can only practice in Alabama. lol Among the many accomplishments in Trent Garmon's distinguished career: As a challenge by his squad leader during the gas chamber portion of his basic training at West Point, Trent successful recited “The Corp” after removing his gas mask in the midst of fuming tear gas to earn his squad a coveted pizza party. You'd think Moore would be able to find a better lawyer, like this guy, the unexpected lawyer. I highly recommend the commercial. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/mzrfowkauiiy.png) | ||
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On_Slaught
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On November 16 2017 08:06 farvacola wrote: Roy Moore's lawyer describes himself as having attended Birmingham School of Law, a non-ABA-accredited law school, the rumors are true. He can only practice in Alabama. lol He literally spends the first quarter of his bio talking about how he played football against good trams in college. It's like a parody account of what a stereotypical Alabama lawyer's website bio would look like. | ||
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NewSunshine
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On November 16 2017 08:16 ticklishmusic wrote: Among the many accomplishments in Trent Garmon's distinguished career: You'd think Moore would be able to find a better lawyer, like this guy, the unexpected lawyer. I highly recommend the commercial. + Show Spoiler + LOL, that commercial is A-grade. Comes hot on the heels of Birdemic. | ||
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On November 16 2017 08:06 farvacola wrote: Roy Moore's lawyer describes himself as having attended Birmingham School of Law, a non-ABA-accredited law school, the rumors are true. He can only practice in Alabama. lol Yeah, going to a non-ABA accredited law school is a pretty bad sign in general. Those are the people who tend to fail the bar repeatedly. | ||
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IgnE
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On November 16 2017 07:46 xDaunt wrote: Here's a question for my Leftist friends around here: Let's say, hypothetically, that you had access to, and the ear of, a group of conservatives, and you really wanted to challenge their fundamental principles. What issues and/or articles (not books -- that takes too long) would you confront them with? For example, I think that the easiest issue to screw with the average conservative on is healthcare. What others do you think are good ones and why? ok so let me briefly extend on my last few posts related to this topic ive said before that the major issue that united "conservatives" are economic ones, at least generally despite disagreement around the fringes i would also say conservatives tend towards transcendental (rather than immanent) mora/ethical/ontological systems but there is a split i think between two sides, painting in broaf strokes: the religious right which includes those who are more or less invested in a "worldlessness" where meaning and good are to be found in the next life; and a maybe "darker" side comprising "atheistic" neoliberal nihilists, for whom instrumental value and acquisition have supplanted "meaning" itself, so that means and ends are nearly indistinguishable, and in which the individual is alone in the world to appropriate as much of it as he or she can my point of contention would be that "value" as such is inherently relativistic, only taking on meaning when embedded amongst plural subjectivities who relate to each other. the recourse to inadequate "absolute" values in the above two streams of thought (god and accumulation for its own sake) would have to be attacked differently depending on who i was talking to the problem of course with your question is that serious threats to cherished beliefs only come via either cataclysm (from the greek . . .) or sustained engagement with a train of thought, as in books | ||
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xDaunt
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On November 16 2017 08:46 IgnE wrote: ok so let me briefly extend on my last few posts related to this topic ive said before that the major issue that united "conservatives" are economic ones, at least generally despite disagreement around the fringes i would also say conservatives tend towards transcendental (rather than immanent) mora/ethical/ontological systems but there is a split i think between two sides, painting in broaf strokes: the religious right which includes those who are more or less invested in a "worldlessness" where meaning and good are to be found in the next life; and a maybe "darker" side comprising "atheistic" neoliberal nihilists, for whom instrumental value and acquisition have supplanted "meaning" itself, so that means and ends are nearly indistinguishable, and in which the individual is alone in the world to appropriate as much of it as he or she can my point of contention would be that "value" as such is inherently relativistic, only taking on meaning when embedded amongst plural subjectivities who relate to each other. the recourse to inadequate "absolute" values in the above two streams of thought (god and accumulation for its own sake) would have to be attacked differently depending on who i was talking to the problem of course with your question is that serious threats to cherished beliefs only come via either cataclysm (from the greek . . .) or sustained engagement with a train of thought, as in books Bah, don’t be so lazy. Plenty of people gave me decent suggestions above (I particularly liked P6’s). I don’t need to necessarily push people over the edge, I just want to screw with them a bit. As for the type of conservative, I’m talking about who you called “atheistic neoliberal nihilists,” not the religious right. | ||
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IgnE
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On November 16 2017 08:56 xDaunt wrote: Bah, don’t be so lazy. Plenty of people gave me decent suggestions above (I particularly liked P6’s). I don’t need to necessarily push people over the edge, I just want to screw with them a bit. As for the type of conservative, I’m talking about who you called “atheistic neoliberal nihilists,” not the religious right. cant you just say something like, "so how about that sean hannity, huh?" | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On November 16 2017 07:46 xDaunt wrote: Here's a question for my Leftist friends around here: Let's say, hypothetically, that you had access to, and the ear of, a group of conservatives, and you really wanted to challenge their fundamental principles. What issues and/or articles (not books -- that takes too long) would you confront them with? For example, I think that the easiest issue to screw with the average conservative on is healthcare. What others do you think are good ones and why? Is this related to me asking you what other ways to address US wealth inequality you might support besides socialized healthcare? I think challenging the meritocracy might be effective on some if you ask them how much smarter and harder working they think Trump is than them and if that's why he's x times more wealthy than they are. (this works best on anti-trumpers) | ||
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