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On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote: The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
We are watching the unraveling of American influence. Trump is still convinced the whole "stuff hurts everyone else more than it hurts us, so they'll be the first to blink" nonsense. The world is remarkably united and resourceful. Canada and Europe are going to be huge winners out of all this long term.
China will become more financially connected with other countries. Russia has breathing room. Canada and Europe will find ways to rely on each other instead of the US. This isn't 1980 anymore. We aren't nearly as essential as before.
Don't be a drama queen. The relative influence of the US has consistently been fading as new economies develop and the US has always overvalued its importance to the world. But the world is neither so "united" nor is Europe or especially Canada looking like it will somehow make for the better here (if we're talking long-run, it might bear mentioning that US fundamentals look a lot better than European ones). Sure, it might have "helped world standing" of the US if it were more cooperative with anything the UN throws around or if the US had more free trade agreements to shore up influence in key markets, but the way the US actually ended up doing things is better. A thorough retrenchment is a consistent trend after Bush and it can and should continue into the medium term future.
On October 13 2017 00:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that.
Not really. Look a little closer and there's a lot of things that I praise about him. In hindsight though, I say again what I said before: people like him more than they like his policies, and now that he put his weight behind Clinton we can see bare what should have been obvious long ago.
What seems to be the case is that you take criticism of Obama particularly personally for some reason, and that you're deliberately blind to any of his faults. I in fact think he was a pretty solid president, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he did better than he did. The fact that you brought up the space thread leads me to believe that you took something that was said personally and base your judgment on that more than on how I actually speak about him.
Not particularly. I think he did better than you give him credit for, or at the minimum, attempted to get done with what he was working with. You seem to find a way to bring everything back to him as if he was the main culprit behind a lot of the issues you have issues with. You also seem to find a way to drag his name through the mud when the discussion isn't about him. That's the reason I didn't reply in the space thread and I'm more hesitant to discuss in here with you at times.
Your choice to reply or not is of course your choice, but it's quite clear your response is emotional more than factual. So is your need to bring in the opinion that "LL just hates Obama!" than to argue any of the points in any context.
He was the previous president. That's reason enough for him to be mentioned because what he did and didn't do has a direct influence on where we are now. That you fail to see that I offer more praise than criticism for him is indicative of either selective memory or a lack of comprehension. I have said a lot of good about him.
On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote: The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization.
Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh.
I've noticed that you specifically seem to take offense at any potential insinuation of anti-Semitism or anything of the sort in a rather rabid way, something that you always feel the need to aggressively deny. Not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand, but worth mentioning for sure in this context.
I suppose you could say I'm one of those aforementioned "pro-Likud assholes" if you like, in that I agree strongly with the hardliners of Israel that they do what is best for their own future. And sure, the mission of UNESCO is admirable, in principle. But it decided to subvert any genuine merit it had by deciding that its most important goal in life was to make a statement by recognizing the Palestinian Authority, undermining any secondary goal it might have had. Obama showed that he wasn't willing to stand up for the right cause; he merely accepted previous compulsory legislation (a kind of wonky concept in and of itself, but I digress) and showed every indication that he wasn't really into it. Trump is merely correcting an old failure by giving them an unambiguous message that that's not ok. And though the goal may be admirable, money can be spent through a different program for the same purpose.
On October 13 2017 00:03 Furikawari wrote: Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011...
There was a previous law in place compelling any future administration to cut funding to any organization within the UN that recognizes Palestine. Obama merely followed that law then did everything he could to try to subvert it. And yeah, compulsory legislation like that is a pretty bizarre concept.
What exactly does 'doing what's best for Israel' entail in your eyes? Taking Gaza and the West Bank? What are you envisioning for the Palestinians living there/Hamas/the PA?
What do you think should be done about the humanitarian situation in Gaza? Or more specifically what, if anything, do you think Israel should do about it?
Do like they did with native americans? (yeah, /s)
When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
On October 13 2017 00:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that.
Not really. Look a little closer and there's a lot of things that I praise about him. In hindsight though, I say again what I said before: people like him more than they like his policies, and now that he put his weight behind Clinton we can see bare what should have been obvious long ago.
What seems to be the case is that you take criticism of Obama particularly personally for some reason, and that you're deliberately blind to any of his faults. I in fact think he was a pretty solid president, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he did better than he did. The fact that you brought up the space thread leads me to believe that you took something that was said personally and base your judgment on that more than on how I actually speak about him.
Not particularly. I think he did better than you give him credit for, or at the minimum, attempted to get done with what he was working with. You seem to find a way to bring everything back to him as if he was the main culprit behind a lot of the issues you have issues with. You also seem to find a way to drag his name through the mud when the discussion isn't about him. That's the reason I didn't reply in the space thread and I'm more hesitant to discuss in here with you at times.
Your choice to reply or not is of course your choice, but it's quite clear your response is emotional more than factual. So is your need to bring in the opinion that "LL just hates Obama!" than to argue any of the points in any context.
He was the previous president. That's reason enough for him to be mentioned because what he did and didn't do has a direct influence on where we are now. That you fail to see that I offer more praise than criticism for him is indicative of either selective memory or a lack of comprehension. I have said a lot of good about him.
Call it not reading everything you type before I started replying to the poli and space thread. And I am not responding with emotions over facts. I am trying to understand what your position is that every time I see you mention Obama, you shit on him. But in the same breath, praise (not heap but let pass) Trump or Putin. A lot of the time, what you say and what you mean to say don't jive. Hence, my always calling you on it. If I'm not understanding, then you're doing a poor job explaining. I even understand what Danglars and xD are saying 90% of the time.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote: The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization.
Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh.
I've noticed that you specifically seem to take offense at any potential insinuation of anti-Semitism or anything of the sort in a rather rabid way, something that you always feel the need to aggressively deny. Not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand, but worth mentioning for sure in this context.
I suppose you could say I'm one of those aforementioned "pro-Likud assholes" if you like, in that I agree strongly with the hardliners of Israel that they do what is best for their own future. And sure, the mission of UNESCO is admirable, in principle. But it decided to subvert any genuine merit it had by deciding that its most important goal in life was to make a statement by recognizing the Palestinian Authority, undermining any secondary goal it might have had. Obama showed that he wasn't willing to stand up for the right cause; he merely accepted previous compulsory legislation (a kind of wonky concept in and of itself, but I digress) and showed every indication that he wasn't really into it. Trump is merely correcting an old failure by giving them an unambiguous message that that's not ok. And though the goal may be admirable, money can be spent through a different program for the same purpose.
On October 13 2017 00:03 Furikawari wrote: Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011...
There was a previous law in place compelling any future administration to cut funding to any organization within the UN that recognizes Palestine. Obama merely followed that law then did everything he could to try to subvert it. And yeah, compulsory legislation like that is a pretty bizarre concept.
What exactly does 'doing what's best for Israel' entail in your eyes? Taking Gaza and the West Bank? What are you envisioning for the Palestinians living there/Hamas/the PA?
What do you think should be done about the humanitarian situation in Gaza? Or more specifically what, if anything, do you think Israel should do about it?
Best for Israel is to be able to secure its periphery. It's true that military alone won't solve that problem, but terrorism and gorilla warfare at least they can prevent. Civilian deaths are regrettable, but seldom unavoidable when the enemy uses the civilians as a human shield.
What happens after? Hamas hopefully goes to the guillotine, the civilians should be integrated into either Israel or another state (this is an ungood reality of the MidEast), and the PA should be dissolved. Diplomacy only works when there's a desire to negotiate rather than just do concession trolling.
On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote: The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization.
Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh.
I've noticed that you specifically seem to take offense at any potential insinuation of anti-Semitism or anything of the sort in a rather rabid way, something that you always feel the need to aggressively deny. Not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand, but worth mentioning for sure in this context.
How is Eri being a "rabid" anti-anti-Semitic relevant to you being a troll in this topic?
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
I dont think they are particularly pushed with respect to the timeline, its not exactly much of a struggle for them. I went on a bit of a tour after I got my Canadian passport last year, + Show Spoiler +
(wouldnt dare with my big bad green one)
did the whole walled of hotel view thing bethlehem etc. Priest at a church (not Nativity) gave me a powder which if i drank would make me a father soon (I gave it right back). Its actually really cool and as long as you are respectful no one really gives you any trouble.
That having been said..
The conflict is incredibly invasive regardless of which side you are on from my experience. But for Israelis its more of an inconvenience that they kinda just deal with, for Palestinians ... try doing something like taking a knee in protest. You wont have the knee very long.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
It is the birthplace of Jesus, the home of the Jews, and a military stronghold in the arab world. Underdog or not today is almost irrelevant.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
It is the birthplace of Jesus, the home of the Jews, and a military stronghold in the arab world. Underdog or not today is almost irrelevant.
We did not give a shit about that place for most of US history. There is every chance we can return to not giving a shit about Israel again in the next 30-40 years.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
It is the birthplace of Jesus, the home of the Jews, and a military stronghold in the arab world. Underdog or not today is almost irrelevant.
We did not give a shit about that place for most of US history. There is every chance we can return to not giving a shit about Israel again in the next 30-40 years.
On October 13 2017 00:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that.
Not really. Look a little closer and there's a lot of things that I praise about him. In hindsight though, I say again what I said before: people like him more than they like his policies, and now that he put his weight behind Clinton we can see bare what should have been obvious long ago.
What seems to be the case is that you take criticism of Obama particularly personally for some reason, and that you're deliberately blind to any of his faults. I in fact think he was a pretty solid president, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he did better than he did. The fact that you brought up the space thread leads me to believe that you took something that was said personally and base your judgment on that more than on how I actually speak about him.
Not particularly. I think he did better than you give him credit for, or at the minimum, attempted to get done with what he was working with. You seem to find a way to bring everything back to him as if he was the main culprit behind a lot of the issues you have issues with. You also seem to find a way to drag his name through the mud when the discussion isn't about him. That's the reason I didn't reply in the space thread and I'm more hesitant to discuss in here with you at times.
Your choice to reply or not is of course your choice, but it's quite clear your response is emotional more than factual. So is your need to bring in the opinion that "LL just hates Obama!" than to argue any of the points in any context.
He was the previous president. That's reason enough for him to be mentioned because what he did and didn't do has a direct influence on where we are now. That you fail to see that I offer more praise than criticism for him is indicative of either selective memory or a lack of comprehension. I have said a lot of good about him.
Call it not reading everything you type before I started replying to the poli and space thread. And I am not responding with emotions over facts. I am trying to understand what your position is that every time I see you mention Obama, you shit on him. But in the same breath, praise (not heap but let pass) Trump or Putin. A lot of the time, what you say and what you mean to say don't jive. Hence, my always calling you on it. If I'm not understanding, then you're doing a poor job explaining. I even understand what Danglars and xD are saying 90% of the time.
If you don't read very much, you should perhaps refrain from butting in with a personal attack without having done so. If you don't understand, perhaps you should ask; I'm generally willing to explain things to those that ask nicely. That you don't seem interested in explanations and at any sight of one regress into a "leave Obama alone" response strongly suggests an emotional reaction to Obama criticism that you wouldn't like.
Obama did a uniquely rotten job on space, he was a wee bit too close to the establishment line on FP and trade, he blundered hard by wagering the future of his legacy on Hillary's victory, and he did an overall decent job on domestic matters. I see his presidency significantly worse in hindsight than I did in the moment, but I could say a lot of good things about it if I wanted. I talk about Putin almost never (last direct reference to Putin was a week ago, before that 2 weeks earlier, though perhaps you noticed other replies with a context-wizard assumption that that was what I meant). Trump does a good thing here and there; mentioning it makes for better discussion than to humor the hate train. Though I criticize him plenty because he is pretty bad.
You have shown no desire to argue the point. So that makes me wonder why you even think it prudent to complain about Obama being treated meanly.
The disrespect to the flag omg fire him!!!111 Does he hate the military???
President Trump sat and talked through the nightly playing of "Retreat" as the American flag was lowered on a Pennsylvania Air National Guard base during his interview with Sean Hannity.
Trump, who has been criticizing NFL players who kneel through the national anthem to protest racism, seemed caught off-guard by loudspeakers playing "Retreat." The song is played every night at military bases to signal the American flag being lowered and the end of the official duty day.
Military site Task and Purpose was the first to notice Trump sitting during the song. According to Task and Purpose, uniformed service members are required to stop what they're doing and salute the flag as its lowered during the song while civilians are required to place their hand over their heart.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
Those groups got along a lot better in the 1970s and 1980s. Things have escalated and we have hit the point where an entire generation has grown up and had kids under state of constant siege. The settlements have reach upwards of 600 thousand people, all who now have homes on that land. Israel has basically won and its just this protracted process of suffering or marginalization. Unless the global dynamic changes, the conflict is all but over.
And that was the plan all along, run an open air prison. Keep building settlements and take over land, let the world call them illegal over and over again while no one actually does anything to stop it until its irreversible (which it pretty much is).
Respond to the occasional matchstick with mass death from above+ Show Spoiler +
.(take away the odd 5 year olds bicycle and crush it because you think they stole it, not sure how smashing it in helps but hey, better than the kid keep it)
GG no Re.
But it does not overcome this flaw that it will take another two or three generations for the conflict to end. I'm not sure how many generations of EU and US citizens are going to keep the belief that Israel is the scrappy underdog in this fight. Maybe not my generation, but the next one might change their minds.
It is the birthplace of Jesus, the home of the Jews, and a military stronghold in the arab world. Underdog or not today is almost irrelevant.
We did not give a shit about that place for most of US history. There is every chance we can return to not giving a shit about Israel again in the next 30-40 years.
It is a lot easier to not give a shit about Israel when there is no Israel to give a shit about.
On October 13 2017 01:05 Mohdoo wrote: When both sides have a book that tells them they are 100% entitled to that land, best thing you can do is just pick whichever side aligns with you more strongly.
I remember when my mom described this situation to me when I was 12, I was like "why not just nuke both of them so we can move on" lmao >_<
Yeah the situation there is a dead end, when I was a kid my father used to say WWIII would start there... You can't just pick a side, we're speaking of millions of people here that will be fucked, whatever side you chose.
EPT
