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On October 12 2017 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 20:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 12 2017 19:37 farvacola wrote:
Fixing generational wealth problems must be done, though it'll have to wait until Trump is gone. You'd think folks in our supposedly anti-royalty country would have an easy time getting behind it, but nah, they're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires who will one day have over 5 million dollars that needs protecting from big bad government! It's almost $11,000,000 for a married couple now. We also can't forget the estate tax on the first $11,000,000 is 0%. That's enough to easily put you in the top 7-1% of income earners without ever working a day in your life or touching the principal which could be passed down. That the idea of repealing it isn't laughed off the political stage with anyone who even associated with the idiot who said it is an indictment of our educational and political system. EDIT: What the actual.... "I want to keep good black people in prison so they can wash my car" And people try to say that slavery isn't alive and kicking in the US through the penal system.
I've known for a while now this kind of stuff is far more common than people appreciate. It's not like Hillary's recounting about the slaves at the governors mansion was much better.
I just can't believe how many times he just kept going in. "They want to take away all the good ones and just leave us with the bad ones!"
This guy knows what the prison is at least nominally supposed to be doing right? I mean caging people doesn't help at all, but damn.
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On October 12 2017 22:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:On October 12 2017 20:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 12 2017 19:37 farvacola wrote:
Fixing generational wealth problems must be done, though it'll have to wait until Trump is gone. You'd think folks in our supposedly anti-royalty country would have an easy time getting behind it, but nah, they're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires who will one day have over 5 million dollars that needs protecting from big bad government! It's almost $11,000,000 for a married couple now. We also can't forget the estate tax on the first $11,000,000 is 0%. That's enough to easily put you in the top 7-1% of income earners without ever working a day in your life or touching the principal which could be passed down. That the idea of repealing it isn't laughed off the political stage with anyone who even associated with the idiot who said it is an indictment of our educational and political system. EDIT: What the actual.... https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/918431668658212865 "I want to keep good black people in prison so they can wash my car" And people try to say that slavery isn't alive and kicking in the US through the penal system. I've known for a while now this kind of stuff is far more common than people appreciate. It's not like Hillary's recounting about the slaves at the governors mansion was much better. I just can't believe how many times he just kept going in. "They want to take away all the good ones and just leave us with the bad ones!" This guy knows what the prison is at least nominally supposed to be doing right? I mean caging people doesn't help at all, but damn.
You don’t understand, he runs this efficient prison by using inmates to do a lot of the jobs, like cleaning. This keeps the budget low, his bonuses high and everyone happy. Criminal justice reform will ruin that system where he gets harmless black men that got three pot possession convictions.
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On October 12 2017 22:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 21:12 Gorsameth wrote:On October 12 2017 20:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 12 2017 19:37 farvacola wrote:
Fixing generational wealth problems must be done, though it'll have to wait until Trump is gone. You'd think folks in our supposedly anti-royalty country would have an easy time getting behind it, but nah, they're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires who will one day have over 5 million dollars that needs protecting from big bad government! It's almost $11,000,000 for a married couple now. We also can't forget the estate tax on the first $11,000,000 is 0%. That's enough to easily put you in the top 7-1% of income earners without ever working a day in your life or touching the principal which could be passed down. That the idea of repealing it isn't laughed off the political stage with anyone who even associated with the idiot who said it is an indictment of our educational and political system. EDIT: What the actual.... https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/918431668658212865 "I want to keep good black people in prison so they can wash my car" And people try to say that slavery isn't alive and kicking in the US through the penal system. I've known for a while now this kind of stuff is far more common than people appreciate. It's not like Hillary's recounting about the slaves at the governors mansion was much better. I just can't believe how many times he just kept going in. "They want to take away all the good ones and just leave us with the bad ones!" This guy knows what the prison is at least nominally supposed to be doing right? I mean caging people doesn't help at all, but damn.
I mean if they want more honest, hardworking men in their prison unpaid forced labour pool they should look into imprisoning the innocent. That ought to help up their numbers.
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On October 12 2017 13:30 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
And this guy should have stayed silent as well. Let's grandstand on Trump's clearly over the top BS. We need a lot more of the "cut it out, idiot" and less of the "your latest statement is a direct affront to the oath of office, are you recanting it?!" This is the guy that wants loss of citizenship and jailtime for burning the flag and 68 other stupid ideas that should prompt eye-rolls. Given his past tweets (among others), he should know better. + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2017 13:23 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 13:07 ChristianS wrote:On October 12 2017 12:54 LegalLord wrote:On October 12 2017 12:51 ChristianS wrote:On October 12 2017 12:43 LegalLord wrote:On October 12 2017 12:27 ChristianS wrote:On October 12 2017 11:43 LegalLord wrote:
And this guy should have stayed silent as well. Headline: American President calls for government to silence critical media Subheadline: obscure American politician disagrees LL: lol wtf is obscure politician talking about, he should shut up Do you get why people think you're a troll and/or Russia shill? In the present situation, Ben Sasse is the one you decided merited criticism. Worth asking, is this one of those issues where you agree with Trump? You've defended Putin a few times iirc, and silencing critical media is certainly a normal Putin policy, so I guess I should ask before assuming you favor freedom of the press. Hell of a lot of leaps of logic in whatever this was. And yeah, Sasse should definitely shut up given he has nothing useful to say. This whole Trump is DESTROYING DEMOCRACY shtick has run its course. "That's against the first amendment" seems like a pretty apt response to "I want the government to silence opposition to me." I'll try again: Trump wants the government to take away the license of news networks to broadcast because they're "unfair" to him. Do you agree with him? No. But if you didn't start your question the whole "I bet it's because you're a Russian shill" crap (peddling Plansix's insistence on doing the same) then maybe there would be something to talk about here. Quick clarification, if you care: I don't think you're a Russian shill. Apparently you have some background in Russia or something, which might inform your worldview and beliefs, but I never thought you were some paid internet troll or something. You don't do much to dispel the myth, but you're not obligated to try to prove your critics wrong if you don't care to. But what exactly is the criticism of Sasse here? I don't think it's going to win him political points, certainly. He'll probably lose votes if anything. But he's also unambiguously right that Trump's threatening a blatant violation of the first amendment. The merit of the DESTROYING DEMOCRACY narrative is irrelevant here because Sasse didn't invoke it. He said Trump is threatening to violate the first amendment, and he said that contradicts the oath of office. The first is clearly true, and the second is at least arguably true, so what's wrong with what he said? Sasse was one of the original #NeverTrump-ers and like the rest of that lot, he only seems to care about the constitution when it is politically convenient to do so. I remember quite well the frivolous stupidity of "Trump deletes tweet - impeach for violating records laws?!?" And this is no different. Trump is quite clearly all bark and no bite. When he "insinuates" on Twitter, the obvious implication should be that he is a blowhard and should be laughed at, not that he intends to kill the press. This entire chain of "DESTROYING DEMOCRACY" horseshit is just political theatrics, not a meaningful criticism. Sure, we could talk about how Trump is a buffoon, but that'd be shooting fish in a barrel. Nevertheless, the point still stands: Sasse is a dimwit who should really just stay silent because only stupid comes out of his mouth. Of course, the easy route in all this is to never see fault with someone who is piling further shit atop the clown-in-chief, and to find any and every excuse to justify it. It was the racists, the Russians, the deplorables, anyone and everyone is at fault except for those that are opposed to Trump. So it makes for an easy, "clever" narrative to peddle. Oh, already extended while I was posting that
"Have you recanted the oath of office" is just a more specific version of "cut it out, idiot" and it's good for Sasse to remind his party exactly what they voted for.
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The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
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On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
We are watching the unraveling of American influence. Trump is still convinced the whole "stuff hurts everyone else more than it hurts us, so they'll be the first to blink" nonsense. The world is remarkably united and resourceful. Canada and Europe are going to be huge winners out of all this long term.
China will become more financially connected with other countries. Russia has breathing room. Canada and Europe will find ways to rely on each other instead of the US. This isn't 1980 anymore. We aren't nearly as essential as before.
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This is Trump appeasing Sheldon Adelson-type pro-Likud assholes and anti-UN shills, nothing more, nothing less.
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On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization.
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what the fuck.. I don't think there's a context that makes that snippet alright (aside from 'THIS IS SATIRE'), but I would like to see the entire clip.
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On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict?
UNESCO is responsible for coordinating international cooperation in education, science, culture and communication. It strengthens the ties between nations and societies, and mobilizes the wider public so that each child and citizen:
• has access to quality education; a basic human right and an indispensable prerequisite for sustainable development;
• may grow and live in a cultural environment rich in diversity and dialogue, where heritage serves as a bridge between generations and peoples;
• can fully benefit from scientific advances;
• and can enjoy full freedom of expression; the basis of democracy, development and human dignity.
Dropping out of this? I guess that science, education, culture, human rights and dialogue is just not what they need for their dream of a military nationalist state.
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On October 12 2017 23:52 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict? Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization.
Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh.
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Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011...
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Democrats and Republicans alike have a hard time taking any kind of principled stance on Israel and organizations that recognize Palestine. Few here would quibble with that I'd bet.
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On October 12 2017 23:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 23:52 LegalLord wrote:On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict? Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization. Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh.
I've noticed that you specifically seem to take offense at any potential insinuation of anti-Semitism or anything of the sort in a rather rabid way, something that you always feel the need to aggressively deny. Not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand, but worth mentioning for sure in this context.
I suppose you could say I'm one of those aforementioned "pro-Likud assholes" if you like, in that I agree strongly with the hardliners of Israel that they do what is best for their own future. And sure, the mission of UNESCO is admirable, in principle. But it decided to subvert any genuine merit it had by deciding that its most important goal in life was to make a statement by recognizing the Palestinian Authority, undermining any secondary goal it might have had. Obama showed that he wasn't willing to stand up for the right cause; he merely accepted previous compulsory legislation (a kind of wonky concept in and of itself, but I digress) and showed every indication that he wasn't really into it. Trump is merely correcting an old failure by giving them an unambiguous message that that's not ok. And though the goal may be admirable, money can be spent through a different program for the same purpose.
On October 13 2017 00:03 Furikawari wrote:
Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011...
There was a previous law in place compelling any future administration to cut funding to any organization within the UN that recognizes Palestine. Obama merely followed that law then did everything he could to try to subvert it. And yeah, compulsory legislation like that is a pretty bizarre concept.
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On October 13 2017 00:03 Furikawari wrote:
Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011...
Actually, what happened was Obama refused to flout the laws Congress had passed explicitly forbidding aid to go to United Nations organizations that recognized Palestine as a member, and in 2011 Palestine was made a UNESCO member/recognized as a state.
I think he did ask Congress to change the law, though nothing he wanted was going to happen after 2010. If he were more like Trump UNESCO would probably still be getting money though.
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I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that.
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On October 13 2017 00:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that.
Not really. Look a little closer and there's a lot of things that I praise about him. In hindsight though, I say again what I said before: people like him more than they like his policies, and now that he put his weight behind Clinton we can see bare what should have been obvious long ago.
What seems to be the case is that you take criticism of Obama particularly personally for some reason, and that you're deliberately blind to any of his faults. I in fact think he was a pretty solid president, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he did better than he did. The fact that you brought up the space thread leads me to believe that you took something that was said personally and base your judgment on that more than on how I actually speak about him.
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On October 13 2017 00:16 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 00:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I've noticed in the space thread and this one, LL hates anything Obama. So it would do everyone a world of good to not take anything seriously that comes from him if you read the word Obama in it. In his eyes, Obama was an aberration on the office of president and everything must be done to correct that. Not really. Look a little closer and there's a lot of things that I praise about him. In hindsight though, I say again what I said before: people like him more than they like his policies, and now that he put his weight behind Clinton we can see bare what should have been obvious long ago. What seems to be the case is that you take criticism of Obama particularly personally for some reason, and that you're deliberately blind to any of his faults. I in fact think he was a pretty solid president, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he did better than he did. The fact that you brought up the space thread leads me to believe that you took something that was said personally and base your judgment on that more than on how I actually speak about him.
Not particularly. I think he did better than you give him credit for, or at the minimum, attempted to get done with what he was working with. You seem to find a way to bring everything back to him as if he was the main culprit behind a lot of the issues you have issues with. You also seem to find a way to drag his name through the mud when the discussion isn't about him. That's the reason I didn't reply in the space thread and I'm more hesitant to discuss in here with you at times.
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On October 13 2017 00:10 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2017 23:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:On October 12 2017 23:52 LegalLord wrote:On October 12 2017 23:36 mahrgell wrote:
The US are leaving the UNESCO.
That will show all those damn -insert prefered slur here-.
Official reason is protest against the membership of Palestina. Is this part of Trumps and Kushners great plan to solve that conflict? Good. Long overdue denunciation of a sham organization. Please elaborate on how UNESCO is a sham organization. Feels like you've been exceptionally trollish lately tbh. I've noticed that you specifically seem to take offense at any potential insinuation of anti-Semitism or anything of the sort in a rather rabid way, something that you always feel the need to aggressively deny. Not necessarily relevant to the topic at hand, but worth mentioning for sure in this context. I suppose you could say I'm one of those aforementioned "pro-Likud assholes" if you like, in that I agree strongly with the hardliners of Israel that they do what is best for their own future. And sure, the mission of UNESCO is admirable, in principle. But it decided to subvert any genuine merit it had by deciding that its most important goal in life was to make a statement by recognizing the Palestinian Authority, undermining any secondary goal it might have had. Obama showed that he wasn't willing to stand up for the right cause; he merely accepted previous compulsory legislation (a kind of wonky concept in and of itself, but I digress) and showed every indication that he wasn't really into it. Trump is merely correcting an old failure by giving them an unambiguous message that that's not ok. And though the goal may be admirable, money can be spent through a different program for the same purpose. Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 00:03 Furikawari wrote:
Just a reamainder that Barack "Good guy" Obama stopped US funding to UNESCO in 2011... There was a previous law in place compelling any future administration to cut funding to any organization within the UN that recognizes Palestine. Obama merely followed that law then did everything he could to try to subvert it. And yeah, compulsory legislation like that is a pretty bizarre concept.
What exactly does 'doing what's best for Israel' entail in your eyes? Taking Gaza and the West Bank? What are you envisioning for the Palestinians living there/Hamas/the PA?
What do you think should be done about the humanitarian situation in Gaza? Or more specifically what, if anything, do you think Israel should do about it?
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