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On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative.
They're actually succeeding at this pretty well but I don't see any way around that. It reflects pretty badly on them that they can't just agree on the problem and agree that it needs fixing.
Instead you get 2 very dishonest arguments:
1: That they feel somehow offended by the act of taking a knee (this isn't offensive)
2: That they don't feel offended but 'x random other person/the general population' will be offended by it.
Its amazing that this form of political correctness has infiltrated the right because they don't have an argument against the point that's actually being made, especially because they just literally made a complete moron into a president on the back of his anti-PC offensiveness.
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On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved.
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well, they did lie about actually wanting anti-PC stuff, so not that surprising. this form of political correctness has been part of the right for a very long time; they aren't against being politically correct, they're only against certain views they dislike, but they demand to be given a courtesy they don't give to others. hypocrisy in politics and personal belief, sad, but very common.
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On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved.
Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game.
#politicsoutofsports /s
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On October 11 2017 06:55 zlefin wrote:
well, they did lie about actually wanting anti-PC stuff, so not that surprising. this form of political correctness has been part of the right for a very long time; they aren't against being politically correct, they're only against certain views they dislike, but they demand to be given a courtesy they don't give to others. hypocrisy in politics and personal belief, sad, but very common.
People aren't saying that you can't protest at work but if you do, don't be surprised that your boss finds it troubling.
This is free market at play here.
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On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s
Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results.
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On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results.
Well at least you're admitting he co-opted the message with fake outrage only generated by people ignorant of what they think they are mad about.
Shocked that you can't argue with Trump threatening to target the NFL through tax law as being an effective motivator for owners to threaten their players to ignore massive injustice.
At least it's clear where your priorities are. "Dance negro, Dance!'
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On October 11 2017 07:13 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 06:55 zlefin wrote:
well, they did lie about actually wanting anti-PC stuff, so not that surprising. this form of political correctness has been part of the right for a very long time; they aren't against being politically correct, they're only against certain views they dislike, but they demand to be given a courtesy they don't give to others. hypocrisy in politics and personal belief, sad, but very common. People aren't saying that you can't protest at work but if you do, don't be surprised that your boss finds it troubling. This is free market at play here.
while I agree with that sentiment to a considerable degree, it has no bearing on the points I raised, so i'm not sure why you replied to me with it.
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On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results.
Then the NFL owners should just fire all the people protesting. All the players that make the sport a sport and enjoyable to watch. You know, the darker skinned players. The ones with the highest selling jerseys. The ones who really bring the money in.
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On October 11 2017 08:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results. Then the NFL owners should just fire all the people protesting. All the players that make the sport a sport and enjoyable to watch. You know, the darker skinned players. The ones with the highest selling jerseys. The ones who really bring the money in.
The owners really don't have to. The message is out. They may dish out a few suspensions for "violating league policy." But it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of players know who butters their bread and will fall into line accordingly.
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On October 11 2017 06:01 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 05:55 IyMoon wrote:On October 11 2017 05:50 Gahlo wrote:On October 11 2017 05:46 Plansix wrote:On October 11 2017 05:39 Gahlo wrote:On October 11 2017 05:38 Plansix wrote:On October 11 2017 05:33 Amui wrote:On October 11 2017 05:29 Plansix wrote:On October 11 2017 05:15 Slaughter wrote:
It would be funny to see the Cowboys players do it to see Jerry Jones eat his words or tank his team. I do love how twitter quickly turned this into everyone rallying around the Cowboys tanking their seasons by bench all their black players. Very much a “Go ahead. You won’t. You’re afraid to put those black players in their place.” Well, there are cowboys fans, and #of not cowboy fans, seems reasonable to me that people would want to see cowboys bench half a team, even if they have no stance on the whole kneeling thing. Much like the hating the Patriots, the hating the Cowboys unifies many people. #FuckDallas Their coach said he would bench any play who kneels, so lets see how that works out. Personally, I don’t think his bosses are going to be super thrilled if he goes through with it. Jerry Jones is the owner of the team, so I think he'll be fine with it until the reason slips away as their chances of getting a wildcard spot disappears. This part right here. All this 'I will bench any player' shit stops the second playoffs come into question. Nothing is worse for a team than losing How bad is it though? I read a bit into it and it seems like the NFL teams heavily pool and distribute their profits (fun fact nothing is more American than wealth redistribution apparently) but I couldn't find any sort of exact measure of what it means for the teams. But if it's enough then the negative economic impact from Dallas doing this will be blunted by the revenue pooling.
This is for you and for the topic that comes up a lot when it comes to the NFL and its supposed "tax free status" It doesn't pay taxes at the league level because the league is merely there in order to collectively sell their TV profits in order to get the best price and then distribute this money to the club by club basis where they pay taxes there. The teams make their own money at their stadiums and in other places it just ended up that the TV deal was the largest piece of the pie. If the NFL leagues "tax free status" was revoked they would either pay taxes once in the lowest taxing state in the union or they would just continue to do what they do now beacuse they are taxed like any other league.
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That might of worked back when the KKK wasn't handing out pamphlets at high school football games. And cops got convicted of shooting unarmed black men. But that isn't 2017. Anything is possible.
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On October 11 2017 08:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 08:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results. Then the NFL owners should just fire all the people protesting. All the players that make the sport a sport and enjoyable to watch. You know, the darker skinned players. The ones with the highest selling jerseys. The ones who really bring the money in. The owners really don't have to. The message is out. They may dish out a few suspensions for "violating league policy." But it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of players know who butters their bread and will fall into line accordingly.
But it's not league policy to stand for the flag....
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On October 11 2017 08:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 08:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results. Then the NFL owners should just fire all the people protesting. All the players that make the sport a sport and enjoyable to watch. You know, the darker skinned players. The ones with the highest selling jerseys. The ones who really bring the money in. The owners really don't have to. The message is out. They may dish out a few suspensions for "violating league policy." But it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of players know who butters their bread and will fall into line accordingly.
More then likely it'll just simmer with neither side wanting to really push the issue. The NFLPA could pick this hill to die on for the CBA negotiations coming up but In reality it'll be up to the biggest stars to decide how much they care about the protest to continue it.
On October 11 2017 08:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2017 08:24 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 08:13 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On October 11 2017 07:17 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 07:11 Gorsameth wrote:On October 11 2017 06:54 xDaunt wrote:On October 11 2017 06:24 Slaughter wrote:
The uproar over the protest shows how effective of a protest it is. Especially since conservatives are desperately attempting to turn it into a disrespecting flag and country narrative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the players aren't winning this protest. It is pretty clear that they have been losing ever since Trump got involved. Yes, Trump is winning this so hard he had to send his VP out to a game with the sole purpose of acting offended to remind the 'troops' that they should be offended and not enjoy the game. #politicsoutofsports /s Trump clearly is winning. He has co-opted the message and driven a wedge between the players and owners. Like I said when this started, I had serious reservations about what Trump is doing, but I can't argue with the results. Then the NFL owners should just fire all the people protesting. All the players that make the sport a sport and enjoyable to watch. You know, the darker skinned players. The ones with the highest selling jerseys. The ones who really bring the money in. The owners really don't have to. The message is out. They may dish out a few suspensions for "violating league policy." But it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of players know who butters their bread and will fall into line accordingly. But it's not league policy to stand for the flag....
"league policy" doesn't mean anything to a league that doesn't care about how arbitrary its discipline is handed out and how little it cares for the truth. Deflategate for example.
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Mensa offers to host IQ test for Trump and Tillerson
Bring on the IQ test — Mensa says it’s willing to host President Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a battle of the brains.
In an interview with Forbes published Tuesday, Trump suggested he and Tillerson — who allegedly once called the commander in chief a “moron” — go head-to-head in an intelligence quotient showdown. The State Department has denied Tillerson ever made the comments.
“I think it's fake news,” Trump told the magazine of Tillerson’s “moron” remark, “but if he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win."
ITK reached out to the geniuses at Mensa — which describes itself as “an international society whose only qualification for membership is a score in the top 2 percent of the general population on a standardized intelligence test” — and asked if they’d be willing to take Trump’s suggestion.
“American Mensa would be happy to hold a testing session for President Trump and Secretary Tillerson,” said Charles Brown, the group’s communications director.
When asked if any American president or Cabinet member has ever taken a Mensa admissions test before, Brown pointed out that while the group can confirm membership, it doesn’t release who’s actually taken the brain-busting exam.
“But it’s important to note that our admissions test is not the sole way to qualify for Mensa — there are hundreds of other prior-evidence tests that can qualify a member,” Brown said. “And the early success of many presidents no doubt exposed them to those types of qualifying avenues.”
Naming former President Clinton’s experience as a Rhodes Scholar, Jimmy Carter’s work as a nuclear engineer and George H.W. Bush’s time as a military pilot, Brown told us, “Each could have encountered standardized academic tests (LSAT, GMAT, Miller Analogies), where qualifying scores would have propelled them into Mensa.” http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/354718-mensa-offers-to-host-iq-test-for-trump-and-tillerson
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I'm enjoying the irony of the anti-SJW candidate now leading the charge in faux outrage.
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On October 11 2017 10:13 Tachion wrote:
I'm enjoying the irony of the anti-SJW candidate now leading the charge in faux outrage.
I also like all the 'free-speech absolutists' and 'classical liberals' running around calling for people who say things they don't like to get fired. The Patriotically Correct Police are far more effective at getting people fired for saying something they don't like (Kapernick, Bill Maher, Dixie Chicks, Kathie Griffin, etc). But be damned if they don't also love Free Speech!
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This is the opposite of a victory, they dismissed the appeal because the law no longer exists. The new, updated ban hasn't yet to be ruled on.
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