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farvacola
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Plansix
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On August 18 2017 04:25 TheTenthDoc wrote: Wait, when I looked up Pershing it says one of his first actions during the war in question was establishing diplomatic relations with one of the Moro (Muslim) tribes and he consistently counseled against treating all of the Moros in the area as one faction. Basically the opposite of "radical Islamic terrorism." Is Trump talking about what Wikipedia calls an unsubstantiated urban legend about burying rebels with pigs or what here (apparently Pershing says someone else did it in an unpublished autobiography). Did I miss something in the Wiki? Surely he's not responding to a terror attack by talking about burying the dead with pigs? If he is, man what an idiot. He continues to push that myth, yes. That other stuff about talking to Muslims isn’t as cool as pig blood bullets. | ||
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KwarK
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On August 18 2017 04:25 TheTenthDoc wrote: Wait, when I looked up Pershing it says one of his first actions during the war in question was establishing diplomatic relations with one of the Moro (Muslim) tribes and he consistently counseled against treating all of the Moros in the area as one faction. Basically the opposite of "radical Islamic terrorism." Is Trump talking about what Wikipedia calls an unsubstantiated urban legend about burying rebels with pigs or what here (apparently Pershing says someone else did it in an unpublished autobiography). Did I miss something in the Wiki? Surely he's not responding to a terror attack by talking about burying the dead with pigs? If he is, man what an idiot. Again, this shit is really, really popular with his Charlottesville base. They've got this whole mythology around how pigs are basically Muslim kryptonite and if you hang up a ham outside your gun store in Hicksville Kentucky then ISIS will pass you by in their invasion. I could put together a selection of quality memes to that effect if you want to see examples of this. Or you can watch the responses to Trump's tweet, I'm sure we're about to get a greatest hits of "pigs are Muslim kryptonite". | ||
Karis Vas Ryaar
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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TheTenthDoc
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LegalLord
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Plansix
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On August 18 2017 04:37 LegalLord wrote: Internet memetic infographics are among the most misleading crap I have ever seen. The Pershing pig blood meme is certainly one example. Pseudoscience also has a hell of a home within those meme-graphics, such as with that whole Liquid Fluorine Thorium Reactor hoopla that has thankfully died down. Problem is that idiots on the internet can say whatever the fuck they want, fact and especially nuance be damned, and who the fuck actually wants to dig down to understand the facts? Put them side by side with any anti-vaxer propaganda or Anti-women’s suffrage poster from the past. The resemblance is striking. | ||
LegalLord
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On August 18 2017 04:41 Plansix wrote: Put them side by side with any anti-vaxer propaganda or Anti-women’s suffrage poster from the past. The resemblance is striking. I see it as something of an evolution in misinformation more than anything else. Basically something like this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
Danglars
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On August 18 2017 04:37 LegalLord wrote: Internet memetic infographics are among the most misleading crap I have ever seen. The Pershing pig blood meme is certainly one example. Pseudoscience also has a hell of a home within those meme-graphics, such as with that whole Liquid Fluorine Thorium Reactor hoopla that has thankfully died down. Problem is that idiots on the internet can say whatever the fuck they want, fact and especially nuance be damned, and who the fuck actually wants to dig down to understand the facts? I must've missed the hoopla on that MSR. All I heard were two lectures from doctorates in chemistry and research looked promising, particularly when compared to 60s tech reactors. | ||
Plansix
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On August 18 2017 04:42 LegalLord wrote: I see it as something of an evolution in misinformation more than anything else. Basically something like this: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obq3S2QIiDc The part I find so striking is that they use almost the exact same arguments from 100 years ago. Arguments against women’s suffrage and arguments against feminism are often point for point. Find some pamphlets from the Hat Pin Panic if you can. It some amazing reading. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hatpin-peril-terrorized-men-who-couldnt-handle-20th-century-woman-180951219/ | ||
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KwarK
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On August 18 2017 04:50 Danglars wrote: I must've missed the hoopla on that MSR. All I heard were two lectures from doctorates in chemistry and research looked promising, particularly when compared to 60s tech reactors. My understanding was that all reactors built nowadays would be extremely promising when compared to the 60s tech ones and that most of the problems that the thorium reactors are meant to solve are not problems that are present in the modern designs anyway. That basically the experts build them the way they do for a reason and that a five minute youtube video doesn't give sufficient expertise to insist that the experts are wrong. (note my understanding is from ignorance, I saw the thorium arguments, I saw them dismissed, I'm not qualified to judge either the merits of the original argument or the dismissal, I'm simply echoing my recollection of why I recall it being dismissed) | ||
LegalLord
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On August 18 2017 04:50 Danglars wrote: I must've missed the hoopla on that MSR. All I heard were two lectures from doctorates in chemistry and research looked promising, particularly when compared to 60s tech reactors. Actual exploration of the viability of LFTRs. Famous infographic blaming corporate evil for thorium's lack of prominence and not drawing attention to the challenges or the efforts towards its development: + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
Sadist
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zlefin
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On August 18 2017 05:05 Sadist wrote: God dammit. Our President is so dumb its sad. If only we could get facebook to bombard him with memes that gave us good outcomes. Reverse directed advertizing our something. well, you could try paying breitbart/foxnews to run stories the way you'd like (hard with fox, breitbart, I simply don't know how willing they'd be); or just buy ads on them. they do have some good direct advertising programs these days; if you buy stuff targetted at the right markets/demographcs maybe you could get it tailored fairly narrowly and hoep for the best. | ||
Sermokala
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xDaunt
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On August 18 2017 04:20 Plansix wrote: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?utm_term=.7b6a20d4aff8 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-child-has-failed/2015/02/13/8d619026-b2f8-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html?utm_term=.6c9e814aa99d And so on. No child left behind might as well have been called, “Pull Federal Funding form poor communities that also happen have black people in them.” I can't see the WashPo articles, but the stuff dealing with redlining are past problems in that the government has already enacted laws prohibiting those practices. So what do you want to do? | ||
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KwarK
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On August 18 2017 05:24 xDaunt wrote: I can't see the WashPo articles, but the stuff dealing with redlining are past problems in that the government has already enacted laws prohibiting those practices. So what do you want to do? I disabled adblock for the team. + Show Spoiler [WaPo article] + Wonkblog Redlining: Still a thing By Emily Badger May 28, 2015 "Redlining" just sounds like an an old-timey term, a practice that exists only in history and our re-tellings of it. The word has particular roots in the 1930s, when the government-sponsored Home Owner's Loan Corporation first drafted maps of American communities to sort through which ones were worthy of mortgage lending. Neighborhoods were ranked and colorcoded, and the D-rated ones — shunned for their "inharmonious" racial groups — were typically outlined in red. This government practice was swiftly adopted by private banks, too, during an era of massive homeownership expansion in the U.S. And the visual language of the maps became a verb: To redline a community was to cut it off from essential capital. To be redlined was something even worse. The federal government eventually retreated from the practice, and it was outlawed by the Fair Housing Act in 1968. But black communities have warned that it still exists in subtler and changed forms, in bank tactics that have targeted these same neighborhoods for predatory lending, or in new patterns like "retail redlining." Some of the persistent redlining, though, still looks an awful lot like the original. Case in point: This week the Department of Housing and Urban Development settled with the largest bank headquartered in Wisconsin over claims that it discriminated from 2008-2010 against black and Hispanic borrowers in Wisconsin, Illinois and Minnesota. The bank, Associated Bank, denies wrongdoing in the settlement, but HUD itself is declaring victory in "one of the largest redlining complaints" ever brought by the federal government against a mortgage lender. HUD's analysis of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data concluded that the bank disproportionately denied qualified loan applicants in predominantly minority neighborhoods in Chicago, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis, compared to other lenders operating in these same communities. Now Associated Bank has agreed to a long list of actions to make amends over the next three years: It must finance nearly $200 million in home loans in majority-minority census tracts within these cities, and pay nearly $10 million in down payment assistance to borrowers or in lower interest rates. It must also open four new offices in minority neighborhoods in Chicago and Milwaukee, and invest $1.4 million in marketing loans in many of these same underserved communities. The case is not about doling out mortgages to minority households that wouldn't otherwise qualify for them — it's about offering equal access to families that look just as eligible on paper as white homeowners nearby. It is, however, a reality that historic redlining makes homeownership beyond reach for many families in these communities today, regardless of how big banks behave now. If your family was denied a mortgage in the 1930s, or the 1950s, or the 1970s, then you may not have the family wealth or down payment help to become a homeowner today. In that way, the consequences of past redlining transcend time, even as new forms of it continue. Emily Badger is a reporter for Wonkblog covering urban policy. She was previously a staff writer at The Atlantic Cities. Follow @emilymbadger HUD's analysis of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act data concluded that the bank disproportionately denied qualified loan applicants in predominantly minority neighborhoods in Chicago, Milwaukee, and Minneapolis, compared to other lenders operating in these same communities. | ||
Plansix
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On August 18 2017 05:24 xDaunt wrote: I can't see the WashPo articles, but the stuff dealing with redlining are past problems in that the government has already enacted laws prohibiting those practices. So what do you want to do? The laws need to be enforced or updated to address the issues. Deal with red lining again. There is no middle class housing being built in America. Subsided housing is still being built in blocks, rather than in mixed communities(economic, not race). No child left behind was in place for over a decade and we need to re-invest in those school districts to rebuild them. We need to reform police departments and training to limit racial profiling. But we can’t do any of that because people still argue if racism is a problem in America. They look at toothless laws and assume those are sufficient. So we argue over and over about what is racism. | ||
pmh
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Dow is gonna drop at least 20%,the whole trump rally was based on nothing. | ||
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