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Uldridge
Belgium4588 Posts
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On August 18 2017 02:21 farvacola wrote: You cannot Lincoln Douglas debate your way out of the language problems inherent to use of words like racism. When a huge component of a dispute revolves around the effect of popular use on definitional valence, pointing out that "defining terms" is important is a non-starter. Do you not see a problem with trying to argue about the proposition "The term 'racist' has been diluted." when the side that accuses people of being a racist refuses to provide a definition? And rejects the definition I had been using for pages, even after the most obvious dictionary source independently has the same definition I did? Do you not see the obvious conflict of interest here? If you have to define the term 'racist', you can't use it willynilly without looking like an idiot. Has part of the discussion not revolved around the accusation that the Left's "definition" of racist changes to suit its political goals at each particular moment? The entire discussion revolves around the definition of 'racist.' I've spent pages talking about what I think is and isn't racist. Isn't it only fair that those who disagree do something similar? Refusing a reasonable definition and then also refusing to provide your own in a discussion like this is essentially the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "I can't hear you!" I've even acknowledged that many of those whom KwarK, Plansix, Igne, etc. call racist ARE racist by my definition. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On August 18 2017 03:45 Kyadytim wrote: Let's not even get into bail, and how it causes people to fall into debt to for-profit bail loan companies, plead guilty to avoid jail, or spend years in jail before even getting a trial. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html Oh, also probation. People released on probation often end up under the oversight of a for-profit probation company, and have to pay fees associated with that. Being poor in this country is ruinous if you have to interact with the legal system. Not to mention probation only plea deals where it is better to admit to a felony you didn't commit than to sit in jail for 6 months, lose your job, pay court fees, etc. just to prove you are innocent. | ||
KwarK
United States41995 Posts
On August 18 2017 03:50 Uldridge wrote: I wonder how much money your justice system actually racks in annually CoreCivic, formerly Corrections Corporation of America, brought in 1.74b last year from its operations. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium4588 Posts
On August 18 2017 03:53 KwarK wrote: CoreCivic, formerly Corrections Corporation of America, brought in 1.74b last year from its operations. I could perfectly see a system in which the poor are just money farms to be harvested when seen fit. Being able to just hand off some change (in regards to more well off people) isn't much, but when your farm is large enough you'll be able to get pretty high yields. Especially when you get to control how good your farm does instead of external parameters. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 18 2017 03:42 Plansix wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jail-time-for-unpaid-court-fines-and-fees-can-create-cycle-of-poverty Nope. We are a garbage nation who treats the poor and desperate like garbage. And then we blame them. On August 18 2017 03:43 KwarK wrote: http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jail-time-for-unpaid-court-fines-and-fees-can-create-cycle-of-poverty Well then. No words. On August 18 2017 03:43 IgnE wrote: @everyone talking to me i think 1) its possible to examine a racist and reprehensible set of tenets and try to imagine what motivates such beliefs and what, if anything, is "true" in it (i dont want to get into a discussion about the true at this point so just bracket it) Only addressing this point, since I think it was related to one of my posts... I have no issue critically examining documents that are written and motivated by abhorrent beliefs. Also no problem admitting that some points in them may be "true"...I'd consider it a near impossibility for every detail to be false. And there are probably lots of lines that are worth quote mining, and will sound entirely innocuous without the surrounding context. But that's a far cry from trying to promote the entire tenets, just minus the "bad parts". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
That was fast. Looks like he got all the facts this time.(also this is a myth) I bet he will call the families of the victims, and then be shocked when a bunch of them don’t speak English. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Plansix
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6210 Posts
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KwarK
United States41995 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.british-israel.us/israel/sharia4.jpg) It helps that the kind of people who share these things have never heard of Beslan or the Moscow Theatre Hostage Crisis. They just want to know that at some point a strongman did something to the Muslims. After all, if there's one thing that really deters terrorists it's the fear of being martyred. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On August 18 2017 04:04 NewSunshine wrote: He sure is quick to comdemn terrorist acts when it's not his Good Old White Boys doing them. Hey, lets not forget about all the bad things those civilians did to the other guys though. Like sure, there were some bad guys in the car, but there were bad guys on the streets too. Lets not forget that there were good guys in the car too; like the dude driving it had a license and those civilians were obviously threatening him. | ||
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KwarK
United States41995 Posts
On August 18 2017 04:09 xDaunt wrote: So I've looked at the proposals for what government should do for black communities. None strike me as being a real difference maker, regardless of the merit of the change. Including letting blacks vote? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On August 18 2017 04:09 xDaunt wrote: So I've looked at the proposals for what government should do for black communities. None strike me as being a real difference maker, regardless of the merit of the change. How many of those proposals were made by conservatives/folks on the right? just out of curiosity... | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 18 2017 04:11 Plansix wrote: Take the boot off their economic neck and clear the road, we could then critique the communities. But to be frank, whites have enough to critique in their own communities that they don’t really have time to be checking in on black communities. What boot? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?utm_term=.7b6a20d4aff8 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/no-child-has-failed/2015/02/13/8d619026-b2f8-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html?utm_term=.6c9e814aa99d And so on. No child left behind might as well have been called, “Pull Federal Funding form poor communities that also happen have black people in them.” | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Is Trump talking about what Wikipedia calls an unsubstantiated urban legend about burying rebels with pigs or what here (apparently Pershing says someone else did it in an unpublished autobiography). Did I miss something in the Wiki? Surely he's not responding to a terror attack by talking about burying the dead with pigs? If he is, man what an idiot. | ||
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