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Plansix
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Plansix
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On June 26 2017 07:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: That's what I'm talking about. Why haven't they? We get this news headline time after time and still nothing to do about it. Someone probably calls the heads of banks, says someone is proposing a new bill to regulate the banks, and gets a massive kickback for helping kill it. If we can get more corrupt in our political process, I'd be surprised. The democrats haven't held congress since 2010. Warren and others would push for it if they could. | ||
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Plansix
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On June 26 2017 08:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: So we just have to wait and hope Dems get congress to enact some kind of bill to enforce more stringent bills. The economy will be fine. If the economy tanks, it pretty much assures that. That is what happened in 2007-2008. | ||
KwarK
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Nevuk
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On June 26 2017 08:17 KwarK wrote: At least Appalachia and the rest of the Trump strongholds never got around to recovering from the Great Recession. The next crash will be easy on them, hard to have your 401k wiped out when you don't have a 401k. 401k? In some places I've lived in Appalachia they didn't trust the banks at all to store any money, I wouldn't be surprised if a crash didn't hurt the banks there let alone a 401k | ||
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KwarK
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Nevuk
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On June 26 2017 09:09 KwarK wrote: Pretty sure they just barter with coca cola multipacks. My grandfather just stored his money under his mattress, actually. And had a heavy investment in silver. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On June 26 2017 08:09 Plansix wrote: If the economy tanks, it pretty much assures that. That is what happened in 2007-2008. This is why Democrats cheered on the Republicans for passing their anti-Healthcare plan. They think the reason they lost 1000+ seats is because people forgot how terrible Republicans were. Spoiler alert: We all know, half the voting public still thinks they are less bad than Democrats. This is like a rerun of Hillary wanting a public option and suggesting it was Republicans that prevented her, then when Democrats are in the position to say "F Republicans we can get the public option the overwhelming majority of our party has wanted for decades" turned out huge Democrat majorities wasn't even enough to pass something Democrats have allegedly wanted for generations. All that's to say we could give Democrats 60 seats and they still couldn't pass shit, they suck at everything except ensuring the status quo is "better than the alternative". Actually having people advocate for the slow erosion of progress we made over the last 100 years, because it's better than a more rapid erosion. Eliminating from the realm of possibility refusing to support the people benefiting from exploiting us. Like, F that. | ||
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LegalLord
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zlefin
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On June 26 2017 10:04 LegalLord wrote: If anything, in the past few years I haven't had the opportunity to forget just how bad Republicans are - but I have had plenty more opportunity to see that behind the charm of Obama, Democrats in the legislature are the same caliber of scum, just with a set of policies I am more sympathetic towards. I slightly disagree; I think the Democrats are about 8% less scummy. | ||
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xDaunt
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On June 26 2017 09:58 GreenHorizons wrote: This is why Democrats cheered on the Republicans for passing their anti-Healthcare plan. They think the reason they lost 1000+ seats is because people forgot how terrible Republicans were. Spoiler alert: We all know, half the voting public still thinks they are less bad than Democrats. This is like a rerun of Hillary wanting a public option and suggesting it was Republicans that prevented her, then when Democrats are in the position to say "F Republicans we can get the public option the overwhelming majority of our party has wanted for decades" turned out huge Democrat majorities wasn't even enough to pass something Democrats have allegedly wanted for generations. All that's to say we could give Democrats 60 seats and they still couldn't pass shit, they suck at everything except ensuring the status quo is "better than the alternative". Actually having people advocate for the slow erosion of progress we made over the last 100 years, because it's better than a more rapid erosion. Eliminating from the realm of possibility refusing to support the people benefiting from exploiting us. Like, F that. The problem with the democrat party is that they have divorced themselves from pro-middle class policies in favor of whoring themselves out to the super rich while trying to use identity politics as a glue to hold the base together. Hence, President Trump. | ||
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KwarK
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On June 26 2017 11:08 xDaunt wrote: The problem with the democrat party is that they have divorced themselves from pro-middle class policies in favor of whoring themselves out to the super rich while trying to use identity politics as a glue to hold the base together. Hence, President Trump. Ah yes, like that time they funded a system of health insurance subsidies to bring down the costs of health insurance for the workers by creating a top-up capital gains tax on the rich. Or Hillary's Buffett rule tax plan. That kind of thing, right? | ||
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Slaughter
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On June 26 2017 11:08 xDaunt wrote: The problem with the democrat party is that they have divorced themselves from pro-middle class policies in favor of whoring themselves out to the super rich while trying to use identity politics as a glue to hold the base together. Hence, President Trump. As opposed to the GOP strategy of whoring themselves to the rich while using capitalism as the glue? The same glue they use to tread on those who vote for them. | ||
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xDaunt
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On June 26 2017 11:22 Slaughter wrote: As opposed to the GOP strategy of whoring themselves to the rich while using capitalism as the glue? The same glue they use to tread on those who vote for them. The proof is in the pudding. Trump is president. And most people have properly credited that result to the fact that his message better resonated with the middle class than the democrats' message. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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xDaunt
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Slaughter
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On June 26 2017 11:38 xDaunt wrote: And let me offer this additional thought: that Trump's message better resonated with the middle class doesn't necessarily mean that his message was good. What it unequivocally means, however, is that the Democrats' message is bad. Well he did lose by a considerable margin in the vote count. A tiny shift would have swung it the other way. I dunno if the Dems need a major change or just tweaks in how they target their messaging. | ||
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Nyxisto
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This is even true on this internet board. 80% of the thread is Greenhorizon debating some Clinton voter why Clinton sucked even six months after Clinton lost the election. It's not exactly surprising that this kind of incoherence makes you lose an election. | ||
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