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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 07 2017 18:36 GMT
#155761
I mean, Trump looks dumb in these memos, but not anything crooked. Just comments that are kind of inappropriate but the way it was said it looks simply like he doesn't know any better. I think this entire hearing will have most of the air taken out of it by the underwhelming nature of this info. But things certainly don't look great for Trump on a larger scale.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
June 07 2017 18:36 GMT
#155762
what strikes me as interesting is that this memo confirms everything that had already been leaked but nothing else.

this means one of two things: that somehow someone got all the details from these meetings or Comey wrote just enough such that we know everything we already knew and is keeping secrets. secrets that are no doubt his job to keep- but the implication here then is that nothing interesting comes of his testimony if he is not able to add anything to our knowledge.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 07 2017 18:38 GMT
#155763
On June 08 2017 03:36 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:27 LegalLord wrote:
On June 08 2017 03:26 On_Slaught wrote:
Why would he feel pressure if there is nothing there to find?

Anyone who has ever been investigated, guilty or not, could tell you that it doesn't work that way.


He and his surrogates are acting as they would if they were guilty.

Some are, I'll give you that. But what is the crime in question? Like any highly public trial it's not clear to what extent shitty people are crooks.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13431 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:40:41
June 07 2017 18:39 GMT
#155764
going on the record under oath for this is very important though

and the fact it confirms links is also important

it means that the media is getting reliable information

also

"i have nothing to do with russia" "didn't do anything with hookers" and "assumed I was being recorded while in russia"

Don't the first and last slightly contradict eachother?

Trump seems slimier and slimier. No way there isnt something there.


Also: at this point, the white house is embroiled in so much controversy, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up ridding trump under article 25 just so that the country can have a fully staffed white house this election cycle.
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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
June 07 2017 18:40 GMT
#155765
At which point would Trump be called on to testify?
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
June 07 2017 18:40 GMT
#155766
On June 08 2017 03:36 LegalLord wrote:
I mean, Trump looks dumb in these memos, but not anything crooked. Just comments that are kind of inappropriate but the way it was said it looks simply like he doesn't know any better. I think this entire hearing will have most of the air taken out of it by the underwhelming nature of this info. But things certainly don't look great for Trump on a larger scale.


Once or twice is inappropriate, but if he keeps repeating it and kept calling him on phone to talk about it, its far more than inappropriate. For context, Trump spoke 1 on 1 to Comey 9 times in the first 6 months of his presidency, where Obama did it 2 times in his entire term.
Envy fan since NTH.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 07 2017 18:51 GMT
#155767
On June 08 2017 03:40 a_flayer wrote:
At which point would Trump be called on to testify?


This is the real endgame. 100% chance he perjures himself, despite counsel's advice, if he testifies under oath.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 07 2017 18:52 GMT
#155768
On June 08 2017 03:51 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:40 a_flayer wrote:
At which point would Trump be called on to testify?


This is the real endgame. 100% chance he perjures himself, despite counsel's advice, if he testifies under oath.


Lol that testimony would be hilarious
Question.?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 07 2017 18:53 GMT
#155769
Doesn't look like a bombshell, but more interestingly, supports the idea that the dossier is very likely real. Which we already knew, but this is even more
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
June 07 2017 18:54 GMT
#155770
On June 08 2017 03:52 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:51 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 08 2017 03:40 a_flayer wrote:
At which point would Trump be called on to testify?


This is the real endgame. 100% chance he perjures himself, despite counsel's advice, if he testifies under oath.


Lol that testimony would be hilarious

It'd be nothing but him talking about the ratings of the Apprentice.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 07 2017 18:58 GMT
#155771
On June 08 2017 03:54 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:52 biology]major wrote:
On June 08 2017 03:51 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 08 2017 03:40 a_flayer wrote:
At which point would Trump be called on to testify?


This is the real endgame. 100% chance he perjures himself, despite counsel's advice, if he testifies under oath.


Lol that testimony would be hilarious

It'd be nothing but him talking about the ratings of the Apprentice.


"why did you fire director comey?"
"I have nothing to do with russia, no investments, no hookers, nothing! This was a hoax created by the democrats for their failure in the election! Sad! Believe me."
"..ok"
Question.?
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 19:15:16
June 07 2017 19:11 GMT
#155772
I'm pretty sure he'll tweet himself into problems tomorrow

A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.”
I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the
awkward silence that followed. We simply looked at each other in silence. The
conversation then moved on, but he returned to the subject near the end of our
dinner.
At one point, I explained why it was so important that the FBI and the
Department of Justice be independent of the White House. I said it was a paradox:
Throughout history, some Presidents have decided that because “problems” come
from Justice, they should try to hold the Department close. But blurring those
boundaries ultimately makes the problems worse by undermining public trust in
the institutions and their work.

Shortly afterwards, I spoke with Attorney General Sessions in person to
pass along the President’s concerns about leaks. I took the opportunity to implore
the Attorney General to prevent any future direct communication between the
President and me. I told the AG that what had just happened – him being asked to
leave while the FBI Director, who reports to the AG, remained behind – was
inappropriate and should never happen. He did not reply.

I called Acting Deputy Attorney
General Dana Boente (AG Sessions had by then recused himself on all Russiarelated
matters), to report the substance of the call from the President, and said I
would await his guidance. I did not hear back from him before the President
called me again two weeks later.

So Comey told both Trump ánd Sessions and Boente that this was not the correct way to handle things but still Trump kept contacting him with personal requests.

Also I'm quite excited for the followup on



as it seems everything about the Comey memos that was leaked is true
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 07 2017 19:15 GMT
#155773
On June 08 2017 03:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 01:21 Danglars wrote:


Evergreen is full of win.


I can't believe how incredibly stupid this article is. Did people actually read it?

It's pretty obviously both stupid and misleading. I'm sur.... No wait, it was Danglars posting this. That makes perfect sense.

Here's a video of the "Bat wielding mob" beating non thinkers with baseball bats from the idiotic article.



Danglars, wouldn't you want them to be able to carry guns instead anyway?

I knew I'd get a response from you, always dependable. They have been asked on their "community patrols" to not carry bats.

Dear RAD Students,

We are aware of a small group of students coordinating a community patrol of housing and campus. We acknowledge and understand the fear and concerns that are motivating these actions. We also understand that these students are seeking to provide an alternative source of safety from external entities as well as those community members who they distrust.

Community patrols can be a useful tool for helping people to feel safe, however the use of bats or similar instruments is not productive. Some members of this group have been observed carrying batons and/or bats. Carrying bats is causing many to feel unsafe and intimidated. The bats must be put away immediately in order to protect all involved. Non-students participating in this activity are advised to leave campus.

I know we have issues communicating. Openly carrying bats walking around campus on patrol is intimidation, particularly when the message is they're justified because of fake oppression. If there were more civil rights on campus and students were allowed to carry guns in self defense, I can imagine these radicals would think twice before using them. It's dumb and you're empowering all the wrong kinds of people by being so blatantly illiberal and intolerant on campus.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2017 19:19 GMT
#155774
On June 08 2017 04:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
as it seems everything about the Comey memos that was leaked is true

I would certainly hope that Comey's statements are consistent with his own memos and all other prior statements (especially his Senate committee testimony last month).
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 07 2017 19:25 GMT
#155775
On June 08 2017 04:19 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
as it seems everything about the Comey memos that was leaked is true

I would certainly hope that Comey's statements are consistent with his own memos and all other prior statements (especially his Senate committee testimony last month).

It makes him better than The Donald, who contradicts himself and others on a sub-daily basis.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 07 2017 19:26 GMT
#155776
So, in addition to everything in these memos, what are we expecting/hoping to hear about tomorrow? Now that we have a complete retelling of all of Comey and Trump's interactions, what is left?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 19:30:39
June 07 2017 19:29 GMT
#155777
On June 08 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 08 2017 01:21 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/872275432510431232

Evergreen is full of win.


I can't believe how incredibly stupid this article is. Did people actually read it?

It's pretty obviously both stupid and misleading. I'm sur.... No wait, it was Danglars posting this. That makes perfect sense.

Here's a video of the "Bat wielding mob" beating non thinkers with baseball bats from the idiotic article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6pQyspYAk

Danglars, wouldn't you want them to be able to carry guns instead anyway?

I knew I'd get a response from you, always dependable. They have been asked on their "community patrols" to not carry bats.

Show nested quote +
Dear RAD Students,

We are aware of a small group of students coordinating a community patrol of housing and campus. We acknowledge and understand the fear and concerns that are motivating these actions. We also understand that these students are seeking to provide an alternative source of safety from external entities as well as those community members who they distrust.

Community patrols can be a useful tool for helping people to feel safe, however the use of bats or similar instruments is not productive. Some members of this group have been observed carrying batons and/or bats. Carrying bats is causing many to feel unsafe and intimidated. The bats must be put away immediately in order to protect all involved. Non-students participating in this activity are advised to leave campus.

I know we have issues communicating. Openly carrying bats walking around campus on patrol is intimidation, particularly when the message is they're justified because of fake oppression. If there were more civil rights on campus and students were allowed to carry guns in self defense, I can imagine these radicals would think twice before using them. It's dumb and you're empowering all the wrong kinds of people by being so blatantly illiberal and intolerant on campus.


Of course you would get a response. I'm not going to let you post something so ridiculously stupid and not call you out for it. "fake oppression", really?

You realize WA is an open carry state? So people can walk around with guns displayed on their hip or on their shoulder if a long gun?

So you would prefer they were walking around with shotguns on their shoulders? Because this isn't about beating random people, it's self-defense. I'm guessing you didn't even read much beyond the garbage lie of a tweet.

This is exactly the kind of reinforcing of white supremacy I'm talking about. You know there are actual injustices on campus and in the area that people are trying to address while you're busy trying to prop up phantoms of the persecuted white man?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2017 19:32 GMT
#155778
On June 08 2017 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:
So, in addition to everything in these memos, what are we expecting/hoping to hear about tomorrow? Now that we have a complete retelling of all of Comey and Trump's interactions, what is left?

What's going to happen tomorrow is that various politicians are going to grill Comey on his narrative and try to push him either towards or away from the obstruction of justice narrative. Democrats will obviously try to get him to say that he felt like Trump did impede the investigation. Republicans will examine him on his prior statements to the Senate that he has never experienced politicians interfering with an investigation for political reasons before.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 07 2017 19:38 GMT
#155779
On June 08 2017 04:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:
On June 08 2017 03:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 08 2017 01:21 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/872275432510431232

Evergreen is full of win.


I can't believe how incredibly stupid this article is. Did people actually read it?

It's pretty obviously both stupid and misleading. I'm sur.... No wait, it was Danglars posting this. That makes perfect sense.

Here's a video of the "Bat wielding mob" beating non thinkers with baseball bats from the idiotic article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6pQyspYAk

Danglars, wouldn't you want them to be able to carry guns instead anyway?

I knew I'd get a response from you, always dependable. They have been asked on their "community patrols" to not carry bats.

Dear RAD Students,

We are aware of a small group of students coordinating a community patrol of housing and campus. We acknowledge and understand the fear and concerns that are motivating these actions. We also understand that these students are seeking to provide an alternative source of safety from external entities as well as those community members who they distrust.

Community patrols can be a useful tool for helping people to feel safe, however the use of bats or similar instruments is not productive. Some members of this group have been observed carrying batons and/or bats. Carrying bats is causing many to feel unsafe and intimidated. The bats must be put away immediately in order to protect all involved. Non-students participating in this activity are advised to leave campus.

I know we have issues communicating. Openly carrying bats walking around campus on patrol is intimidation, particularly when the message is they're justified because of fake oppression. If there were more civil rights on campus and students were allowed to carry guns in self defense, I can imagine these radicals would think twice before using them. It's dumb and you're empowering all the wrong kinds of people by being so blatantly illiberal and intolerant on campus.


Of course you would get a response. I'm not going to let you post something so ridiculously stupid and not call you out for it. "fake oppression", really?

You realize WA is an open carry state? So people can walk around with guns displayed on their hip or on their shoulder if a long gun?

So you would prefer they were walking around with shotguns on their shoulders? Because this isn't about beating random people, it's self-defense. I'm guessing you didn't even read much beyond the garbage lie of a tweet.

This is exactly the kind of reinforcing of white supremacy I'm talking about. You know there are actual injustices on campus and in the area that people are trying to address while you're busy trying to prop up phantoms of the persecuted white man?

Do you ever look these things up before spouting off. Evergreen college bans any kind of carry for its students and teachers. They actually can't. Don't lie and invent to make argument, you're just reinforcing anti-speech stereotypes with a typical disinterested response to student groups patrolling campus with bats. It's like if they don't have a badge, you can't see intimidation.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 07 2017 19:38 GMT
#155780
On June 08 2017 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:
So, in addition to everything in these memos, what are we expecting/hoping to hear about tomorrow? Now that we have a complete retelling of all of Comey and Trump's interactions, what is left?

This part is interesting

I explained that we had briefed the leadership of Congress on
exactly which individuals we were investigating and that we had told those
Congressional leaders that we were not personally investigating President Trump.

I reminded him I had previously told him that. He repeatedly told me, “We need
to get that fact out.” (I did not tell the President that the FBI and the Department
of Justice had been reluctant to make public statements that we did not have an
open case on President Trump for a number of reasons, most importantly because
it would create a duty to correct, should that change

The wording here makes it seem like there would be expected to be a 'change' in the future and an actual personal investigation against Trump.
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