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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42738 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 17:59:45
June 07 2017 17:58 GMT
#155741
The President began by asking me whether I wanted to stay on as FBI
Director, which I found strange because he had already told me twice in earlier
conversations that he hoped I would stay, and I had assured him that I intended to.
He said that lots of people wanted my job and, given the abuse I had taken during
the previous year, he would understand if I wanted to walk away.
My instincts told me that the one-on-one setting, and the pretense that this
was our first discussion about my position, meant the dinner was, at least in part,
an effort to have me ask for my job and create some sort of patronage relationship.
That concerned me greatly, given the FBI’s traditionally independent status in the
executive branch.
I replied that I loved my work and intended to stay and serve out my tenyear
term as Director. And then, because the set-up made me uneasy, I added that
I was not “reliable” in the way politicians use that word, but he could always count
on me to tell him the truth
. I added that I was not on anybody’s side politically
and could not be counted on in the traditional political sense, a stance I said was in
his best interest as the President.
A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.”
I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the
awkward silence that followed. We simply looked at each other in silence. The
conversation then moved on, but he returned to the subject near the end of our
dinner.
At one point, I explained why it was so important that the FBI and the
Department of Justice be independent of the White House. I said it was a paradox:
Throughout history, some Presidents have decided that because “problems” come
from Justice, they should try to hold the Department close. But blurring those
boundaries ultimately makes the problems worse by undermining public trust in
the institutions and their work.
Near the end of our dinner, the President returned to the subject of my job,
saying he was very glad I wanted to stay, adding that he had heard great things
4
about me from Jim Mattis, Jeff Sessions, and many others. He then said, “I need
loyalty.” I replied, “You will always get honesty from me.” He paused and then
said, “That’s what I want, honest loyalty.”


Shit son. That's pretty big. Not necessarily new information but still.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 07 2017 18:00 GMT
#155742
On June 08 2017 02:58 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
The President began by asking me whether I wanted to stay on as FBI
Director, which I found strange because he had already told me twice in earlier
conversations that he hoped I would stay, and I had assured him that I intended to.
He said that lots of people wanted my job and, given the abuse I had taken during
the previous year, he would understand if I wanted to walk away.
My instincts told me that the one-on-one setting, and the pretense that this
was our first discussion about my position, meant the dinner was, at least in part,
an effort to have me ask for my job and create some sort of patronage relationship.
That concerned me greatly, given the FBI’s traditionally independent status in the
executive branch.
I replied that I loved my work and intended to stay and serve out my tenyear
term as Director. And then, because the set-up made me uneasy, I added that
I was not “reliable” in the way politicians use that word, but he could always count
on me to tell him the truth
. I added that I was not on anybody’s side politically
and could not be counted on in the traditional political sense, a stance I said was in
his best interest as the President.
A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.”
I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the
awkward silence that followed. We simply looked at each other in silence. The
conversation then moved on, but he returned to the subject near the end of our
dinner.
At one point, I explained why it was so important that the FBI and the
Department of Justice be independent of the White House. I said it was a paradox:
Throughout history, some Presidents have decided that because “problems” come
from Justice, they should try to hold the Department close. But blurring those
boundaries ultimately makes the problems worse by undermining public trust in
the institutions and their work.
Near the end of our dinner, the President returned to the subject of my job,
saying he was very glad I wanted to stay, adding that he had heard great things
4
about me from Jim Mattis, Jeff Sessions, and many others. He then said, “I need
loyalty.” I replied, “You will always get honesty from me.” He paused and then
said, “That’s what I want, honest loyalty.”


Shit son. That's pretty big. Not necessarily new information but still.


Lol this guy is such a crook it's indefensible, hope he gets whats coming to him.
Question.?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:02:57
June 07 2017 18:02 GMT
#155743
pretty much all the "reports from insiders" about comey-trump are confirmed.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 07 2017 18:08 GMT
#155744
On the morning of March 30, the President called me at the FBI. He
described the Russia investigation as “a cloud” that was impairing his ability to act
on behalf of the country. He said he had nothing to do with Russia, had not been
involved with hookers in Russia, and had always assumed he was being recorded
when in Russia


This part is really interesting, I feel like by March 30th the dossier and its claims had mostly become a meme status used for the occasional joke and most people had dropped interest in that part of the story. It's weird for him to be so concerned about that part over the other collusion accusations.
Logo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:16:02
June 07 2017 18:09 GMT
#155745
The optics on that are even worse than I thought they would be. Damn son.

On June 08 2017 03:08 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On the morning of March 30, the President called me at the FBI. He
described the Russia investigation as “a cloud” that was impairing his ability to act
on behalf of the country. He said he had nothing to do with Russia, had not been
involved with hookers in Russia, and had always assumed he was being recorded
when in Russia


This part is really interesting, I feel like by March 30th the dossier and its claims had mostly become a meme status used for the occasional joke and most people had dropped interest in that part of the story. It's weird for him to be so concerned about that part over the other collusion accusations.


Also deeply weird.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
June 07 2017 18:19 GMT
#155746
On June 08 2017 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
pretty much all the "reports from insiders" about comey-trump are confirmed.


But anonymous sources will say anything to please the Anti-Trump media ... so I have been told.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 07 2017 18:21 GMT
#155747
On June 08 2017 03:08 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On the morning of March 30, the President called me at the FBI. He
described the Russia investigation as “a cloud” that was impairing his ability to act
on behalf of the country. He said he had nothing to do with Russia, had not been
involved with hookers in Russia, and had always assumed he was being recorded
when in Russia


This part is really interesting, I feel like by March 30th the dossier and its claims had mostly become a meme status used for the occasional joke and most people had dropped interest in that part of the story. It's weird for him to be so concerned about that part over the other collusion accusations.


Donald Trump is pretty much Twitch chat, so it's not surprising he pays attention to the hookers and golden showers rather than the attempts to document campaign/Russia meetings and conversations about potential quid pro quos.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:25:14
June 07 2017 18:22 GMT
#155748
[Trump] then said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn
go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”


Later:

A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.”


Later:
On the morning of April 11, the President called me and asked what I had
done about his request that I “get out” that he is not personally under investigation.
I replied that I had passed his request to the Acting Deputy Attorney General, but I
had not heard back. He replied that “the cloud” was getting in the way of his
ability to do his job. He said that perhaps he would have his people reach out to
the Acting Deputy Attorney General. I said that was the way his request should be
handled. I said the White House Counsel should contact the leadership of DOJ to
make the request, which was the traditional channel.
He said he would do that and added, “Because I have been very loyal to
you, very loyal; we had that thing you know.” I did not reply or ask him what he
meant by “that thing.” I said only that the way to handle it was to have the White
House Counsel call the Acting Deputy Attorney General. He said that was what
he would do and the call ended.
That was the last time I spoke with President Trump.


May 3rd -- Comey speaks to Senate Committee Again

May 9th -- Comey Fired

Following 3 weeks included:

Differing stories of why he was fired and inconsistent official messaging

And telling the Russians in the white house that he hopes that the investigation into Russia was over

StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2017 18:23 GMT
#155749
Comey's narrative isn't as bad as I thought it might be. Really what it looks like is that Trump canned Comey for Comey's refusal to publicly state that Trump personally wasn't under investigation. There's nothing in the narrative showing interference with the Flynn investigation.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 07 2017 18:23 GMT
#155750
The "I need loyalty" is probably the worst part of the report by Comey. But I honestly don't see anything there that looks criminal. More like a guy feeling pressure looking for a way out.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2017 18:25 GMT
#155751
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:26:42
June 07 2017 18:26 GMT
#155752
Why would he feel pressure if there is nothing there to find?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 07 2017 18:27 GMT
#155753
On June 08 2017 03:26 On_Slaught wrote:
Why would he feel pressure if there is nothing there to find?

Anyone who has ever been investigated, guilty or not, could tell you that it doesn't work that way.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 07 2017 18:28 GMT
#155754
On June 08 2017 03:26 On_Slaught wrote:
Why would he feel pressure if there is nothing there to find?


Because it's Trump, that's what makes this particular investigation so difficult. His mind is an enigma, he could feel pressure simply because of negative coverage, or he's insecure about his election victory, or he's got something to hide. That's why I am not too confident in the collusion angle, it's the obstruction of justice that will can him if anything. Combine that comey statement plus if other intelligence leaders were contacted as described by WaPo, uhhh..
Question.?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:32:01
June 07 2017 18:30 GMT
#155755
The conversation about Flynn seems like an obvious attempt to interfere, but not a successful attempt. Especially when you combine it with Trump's apparent attempt to get Coats and Rogers to lean on Comey. But Trump saying "we had that (loyalty) thing you know" in his final conversation with Comey gets Trump dangerously close to this being a major issue.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 07 2017 18:30 GMT
#155756
Its not good narrative.

He told him to stop investigating Flynn, then he asked for loyalty, then he asked comey to make the russia cloud go away, then he fired him when he wouldn't.

At best he is simply incompetent with regard to the function of the FBI and believes that Comey was the key to exonerating him from the entire Russia thing.

I mean based on this account it sounds like Trump believes that Comey was the one who could end everything to do with Russia by publically stating that Trump was not under investigation.

The reality is, as comey describes, that this kind of comment must come from DoJ and that requests should not go through Comey.

Furthermore, Comey could only speak to the fact that trump was not personally under investigation as a part of counter intelligence investigations underway.

In the end, Comey didn't want to say anything public because it could change over time. And he has been burned by trying to be open about changing circumstances in investigations before (Clinton).

Further, the fact the man recorded memos of all his conversations with Trump, and these conversations don't paint Trump in a good light, shows he thought little of the man and didn't want to give him more ammunition to try and defend himself IF the circumstances did change.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 07 2017 18:33 GMT
#155757
Trump's insinuation about tapes on Twitter really means the White House should be subpoenaed for those tapes.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23239 Posts
June 07 2017 18:34 GMT
#155758
On June 08 2017 01:21 Danglars wrote:


Evergreen is full of win.


I can't believe how incredibly stupid this article is. Did people actually read it?

It's pretty obviously both stupid and misleading. I'm sur.... No wait, it was Danglars posting this. That makes perfect sense.

Here's a video of the "Bat wielding mob" beating non thinkers with baseball bats from the idiotic article.



Danglars, wouldn't you want them to be able to carry guns instead anyway?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 07 2017 18:34 GMT
#155759
For sure.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-07 18:37:29
June 07 2017 18:36 GMT
#155760
On June 08 2017 03:27 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:26 On_Slaught wrote:
Why would he feel pressure if there is nothing there to find?

Anyone who has ever been investigated, guilty or not, could tell you that it doesn't work that way.


He and his surrogates are acting as they would if they were guilty. It's all moot I suppose. The investigation is well under steam and not going away.
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