US Politics Mega-thread - Page 769

On January 09 2014 09:06 Danglars wrote:
Yes, we most certainly must ban people from working longer hours and very specific spans because it is discriminatory towards women. We most certainly should implement a mandatory daily quota and ban every ounce of pay beyond it--make it illegal. Only then can we say we are in a post-glass-ceiling world.

I'm sure, as you are clearly interested in reducing the gender pay gap, that you read the paper with alarm. My local feminists had not previously informed me either that the "incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours" was a critical influence in depressing women's wages the gender wage gap. The article does not go far enough in exploring government solutions towards equality in this area. This oversight may soon put Claudia Goldin in the ranks of the Paglia's.

On January 09 2014 12:24 sam!zdat wrote:
so we should do less of it

On January 09 2014 12:53 IgnE wrote:
You want to know why birth rates are declining in modern, westernized countries? You want to know why "family values," that the right so loves to talk about in America are deteriorating? The answer is not birth control and rap music, in that order. You are overvaluing productive labor at the expense of reproductive labor. You are forcing people to choose between more work and building families and rich personal lives. But for you it's okay because it makes the owner richer. Profits continue to soar for the capitalist class, but at least in Danglar's world all is ok, because those who work more get paid more.

On January 09 2014 12:54 Ghostcom wrote:


Find a job you enjoy.

On January 09 2014 12:47 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Apparently there's also c) telling others how to live.

On January 09 2014 13:00 Roe wrote:


How about just find meaning and value in life, trying to be a moral person, and investigating the issues of human conditions, instead of pinning your life to the requirement of age 21-60 living in service of society, 60+ wilt away and die.

On January 09 2014 12:53 IgnE wrote:


In Danglar's world, more work is always good, and those willing to work the most should be reward the most. If you are a woman who wants to raise a family and simply can't work as much as men, so be it. What Danglars fails to realize is that the only reason men can do so much productive work is that women are the ones doing all the reproductive work. Reproductive work is more than the work of simply reproducing the species, it involves taking care of the home, cooking, cleaning, providing emotional support, listening, cherishing, raising kids, or otherwise the "work" of living. Business owners and managers reflect the societal values that elevate productive work while denigrating reproductive work, as reproductive work does not get any financial compensation. Danglars makes this about "feminism" and women rather than seeing the more fundamental points that 1) reproductive work is the hidden work that allows society function despite not being valued, so paying a certain class of people to 60 or 80 hours a week of productive work relies upon an unpaid segment of the population that takes care of those ambitious workers by doing their reproductive labor for them, and 2) women, socially, are shunted into this uncompensated labor role more than men.

You want to know why birth rates are declining in modern, westernized countries? You want to know why "family values," that the right so loves to talk about in America are deteriorating? The answer is not birth control and rap music, in that order. You are overvaluing productive labor at the expense of reproductive labor. You are forcing people to choose between more work and building families and rich personal lives. But for you it's okay because it makes the owner richer. Profits continue to soar for the capitalist class, but at least in Danglar's world all is ok, because those who work more get paid more.

On January 09 2014 13:07 Ghostcom wrote:


I feel sorry for you if that is your perspective on working.

I work for my own happiness. I love my work. I am still amazed that I am being paid so much for doing something I enjoy so immensely. I am probably either going to be forced into retirement or just never retire at all.

Who are you or sam!zdat to tell me that I shouldn't be happy working? Do either of you really have the audacity to claim to have some secret knowledge of what constitutes a good life?

On January 09 2014 12:53 IgnE wrote:


In Danglar's world, more work is always good, and those willing to work the most should be reward the most. If you are a woman who wants to raise a family and simply can't work as much as men, so be it. What Danglars fails to realize is that the only reason men can do so much productive work is that women are the ones doing all the reproductive work. Reproductive work is more than the work of simply reproducing the species, it involves taking care of the home, cooking, cleaning, providing emotional support, listening, cherishing, raising kids, or otherwise the "work" of living. Business owners and managers reflect the societal values that elevate productive work while denigrating reproductive work, as reproductive work does not get any financial compensation. Danglars makes this about "feminism" and women rather than seeing the more fundamental points that 1) reproductive work is the hidden work that allows society function despite not being valued, so paying a certain class of people to 60 or 80 hours a week of productive work relies upon an unpaid segment of the population that takes care of those ambitious workers by doing their reproductive labor for them, and 2) women, socially, are shunted into this uncompensated labor role more than men.

You want to know why birth rates are declining in modern, westernized countries? You want to know why "family values," that the right so loves to talk about in America are deteriorating? The answer is not birth control and rap music, in that order. You are overvaluing productive labor at the expense of reproductive labor. You are forcing people to choose between more work and building families and rich personal lives. But for you it's okay because it makes the owner richer. Profits continue to soar for the capitalist class, but at least in Danglar's world all is ok, because those who work more get paid more.

On January 09 2014 13:01 sam!zdat wrote:


that's the thing i get paid for, it's called being a member of the priesthood, i.e. a teacher

On January 09 2014 13:10 sam!zdat wrote:


then that's not work

On January 09 2014 13:11 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Ahh, well good to see you here putting in the overtime then

On January 09 2014 13:11 Ghostcom wrote:


Please define work

On January 09 2014 13:12 sam!zdat wrote:


my life is overtime. not that any of you philistines are grateful

edit:


what do you do

On January 09 2014 13:16 Ghostcom wrote:


Unless your name is Socrates I'm not playing that game with you. Define "work"

On January 09 2014 13:16 Ghostcom wrote:


Unless your name is Socrates I'm not playing that game with you. Define "work"

On January 09 2014 13:18 sam!zdat wrote:


ok don't play. why argue with a man who won't say where he stands?

First responders were delayed in responding to at least four medical emergencies due to the lane closures on the George Washington Bridge in September that have been linked to one of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's (R) political feuds.

The delays were detailed in a letter from EMS coordinator Paul Favia to Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich. It was obtained by the Bergen Record and dated Sept. 10, the second day Fort Lee was consumed by gridlock due to the lane closures.

In one instance, it took EMS workers seven minutes to get to a 91-year-old woman who was unconscious and eventually died of cardiac arrest at a hospital.

On Sept, 9, the first day the lanes were shut, Favia wrote that it took seven to nine minutes for workers to reach the scene of an accident where four people were injured when the normal response time would have been under four minutes. That same day, Favia wrote that "standstill traffic" caused it to take nearly an hour for emergency workers to reach a person with chest pains.

Favia also detailed a delayed response time that occurred on Sept. 10. On that day, Favia wrote, it took seven minutes to respond to a call from someone with chest pains when it normally would have taken four minutes or less.

On January 09 2014 13:20 sam!zdat wrote:
all i'm saying, the one we're concerned about probably isn't YOU. if you like something, do it for free

On January 09 2014 13:28 Ghostcom wrote:


I don't see a definition of "work" in there - unless I am to interpret that "work" is something you dislike doing but get paid to do.