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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 08 2014 22:19 GMT
#15321
On January 09 2014 03:04 PassiveAce wrote:
I really want to like christie.
I really do.
Let me love you christie.

Christie's my dream president, I really hope this isn't as bad as it looks. I mean he didn't get involved in it (or there's no evidence to suggest this), I'm just hoping this blows over as some internal struggle that's quickly dealt with.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 22:25:47
January 08 2014 22:24 GMT
#15322
It's bad and getting worse.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Source

So either he has no idea what goes on every day at his office or anywhere else in his administration, or he is lying. Also begs the question how he didn't hear about the traffic problems, very hard to believe he didn't, seeing how it was his own states "traffic study". Not to mention the press has phone records that show Fort Lee contacted his office several times over, why didn't he do anything. Is he inept or just corrupt?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
January 08 2014 22:27 GMT
#15323
The man is a bully and I expect this'll be tied directly to him in short.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 22:36:30
January 08 2014 22:36 GMT
#15324
That and his two other political aides that had to resign late last year over this, how did he not know about the emails. Surely they told him something as there is now talk of possible criminal charges.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#15325
On January 09 2014 07:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's bad and getting worse.

Show nested quote +
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Source

So either he has no idea what goes on every day at his office or anywhere else in his administration, or he is lying. Also begs the question how he didn't hear about the traffic problems, very hard to believe he didn't, seeing how it was his own states "traffic study". Not to mention the press has phone records that show Fort Lee contacted his office several times over, why didn't he do anything. Is he inept or just corrupt?

It depends on the details, for example:

The documents are heavily redacted in parts, making it hard to tell if Kelly meant the traffic problems were the motivation for the closure, or whether she was anticipating the traffic as an effect of the order.

I haven't been following it though (a bridge in NJ? lulz who cares?), so if you think there's a strong case against Christie, feel free to summarize.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 08 2014 22:48 GMT
#15326
On January 09 2014 04:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
A recent paper on the gender pay gap was featured at the American Economic Association meetings a week ago:

Show nested quote +
A Grand Gender Convergence: Its Last Chapter

ABSTRACT: The converging roles of men and women are among the grandest advances in society and the economy in the last century. These aspects of the grand gender convergence are figurative chapters in a history of gender roles. But what must the “last” chapter contain for there to be equality in the labor market? The answer may come as a surprise. The solution does not (necessarily) have to involve government intervention and it need not make men more responsible in the home (although that wouldn’t hurt). But it must involve changes in the labor market, in particular how jobs are structured and remunerated to enhance temporal flexibility. The gender gap in pay would be considerably reduced and might vanish altogether if firms did not have an incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours. Such change has taken off in various sectors, such as technology, science and health, but is less apparent in the corporate, financial and legal worlds.


Link to paper.
Link to blog article on it.

The part in bold refers to the idea that pay in some positions is "non-linear" e.g. working twice as many hours will result in more than twice the total pay.
They must be punished for suggesting factors beyond discrimination! I dream of a world where corporations were forbidden to reward individuals burning the midnight oil for their jobs or adapting schedules to some aspects of their work. They're just keeping women down.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
January 08 2014 22:51 GMT
#15327
It surprises me not at all that Danglars is unable to see the problem in how income is so heavily affected by work over the already daily allotment. That we are one of the worlds most overworked nations is nothing to be proud of.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2014 22:51 GMT
#15328
On January 09 2014 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 07:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's bad and getting worse.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Source

So either he has no idea what goes on every day at his office or anywhere else in his administration, or he is lying. Also begs the question how he didn't hear about the traffic problems, very hard to believe he didn't, seeing how it was his own states "traffic study". Not to mention the press has phone records that show Fort Lee contacted his office several times over, why didn't he do anything. Is he inept or just corrupt?

It depends on the details, for example:

Show nested quote +
The documents are heavily redacted in parts, making it hard to tell if Kelly meant the traffic problems were the motivation for the closure, or whether she was anticipating the traffic as an effect of the order.

I haven't been following it though (a bridge in NJ? lulz who cares?), so if you think there's a strong case against Christie, feel free to summarize.



Yeah...


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/bridge-scandal-timeline

Also Wildstein just filed a lawsuit in an attempt to avoid testifying.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 08 2014 23:16 GMT
#15329
Is this real outrage or are we just happy to dead-leg a potentially serious Republican challenger?
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 23:33:22
January 08 2014 23:32 GMT
#15330
I guess it's not a big deal when politicians intentionally create traffic jams on busy bridges for no reason.

I wasn't personally affected by it, so why should anyone care?
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 08 2014 23:35 GMT
#15331
On January 09 2014 07:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On January 09 2014 07:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's bad and getting worse.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Source

So either he has no idea what goes on every day at his office or anywhere else in his administration, or he is lying. Also begs the question how he didn't hear about the traffic problems, very hard to believe he didn't, seeing how it was his own states "traffic study". Not to mention the press has phone records that show Fort Lee contacted his office several times over, why didn't he do anything. Is he inept or just corrupt?

It depends on the details, for example:

The documents are heavily redacted in parts, making it hard to tell if Kelly meant the traffic problems were the motivation for the closure, or whether she was anticipating the traffic as an effect of the order.

I haven't been following it though (a bridge in NJ? lulz who cares?), so if you think there's a strong case against Christie, feel free to summarize.



Yeah...


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/bridge-scandal-timeline

Also Wildstein just filed a lawsuit in an attempt to avoid testifying.

Doesn't seem like much to stick to Christie...
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 08 2014 23:35 GMT
#15332
On January 09 2014 07:51 farvacola wrote:
It surprises me not at all that Danglars is unable to see the problem in how income is so heavily affected by work over the already daily allotment. That we are one of the worlds most overworked nations is nothing to be proud of.

What does "work over the already daily allotment" mean?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
January 08 2014 23:56 GMT
#15333
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Maybe it's because he's fired his staff so nobody is checking what his statements say for him but that was incredibly poorly worded. Has he seen the first unacceptable thing ever today? Or has it become unacceptable for the first time because he saw it today? Not only was I misled, I was also misled without my knowledge or sanction.

You can work out what he's trying to say but that's garbled as fuck.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
January 08 2014 23:59 GMT
#15334
hes just jumbling his words in trying to convince people that he had no knowledge of this.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 09 2014 00:06 GMT
#15335
On January 09 2014 07:51 farvacola wrote:
It surprises me not at all that Danglars is unable to see the problem in how income is so heavily affected by work over the already daily allotment. That we are one of the worlds most overworked nations is nothing to be proud of.
Yes, we most certainly must ban people from working longer hours and very specific spans because it is discriminatory towards women. We most certainly should implement a mandatory daily quota and ban every ounce of pay beyond it--make it illegal. Only then can we say we are in a post-glass-ceiling world.

I'm sure, as you are clearly interested in reducing the gender pay gap, that you read the paper with alarm. My local feminists had not previously informed me either that the "incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours" was a critical influence in depressing women's wages the gender wage gap. The article does not go far enough in exploring government solutions towards equality in this area. This oversight may soon put Claudia Goldin in the ranks of the Paglia's.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
January 09 2014 00:18 GMT
#15336
On January 09 2014 04:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
Whenever something crazy happens for the Republicans I always check redstate.com to see what the reaction was. The first response I read was a member applauding this type of behaviour as indicative of being a "strong, no-nonsense" politician that other republicans should *learn* from. If there's one thing you learn from this its that some republicans don't see democratic voters as people anymore, just as tools. This is just so petty and thuggish its hard to express in words. Here's the blog for those interested. I truly wonder what the feedback will be like over time...will all the members of redstate actually support this type of action, or will there be others who resist?

Redstate Member Diary


This website makes me very very sad.
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
January 09 2014 00:37 GMT
#15337
On January 09 2014 08:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Maybe it's because he's fired his staff so nobody is checking what his statements say for him but that was incredibly poorly worded. Has he seen the first unacceptable thing ever today? Or has it become unacceptable for the first time because he saw it today? Not only was I misled, I was also misled without my knowledge or sanction.

You can work out what he's trying to say but that's garbled as fuck.

Eh? Seems fine in the context.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 00:57:05
January 09 2014 00:41 GMT
#15338
On January 09 2014 09:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 08:56 KwarK wrote:
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Maybe it's because he's fired his staff so nobody is checking what his statements say for him but that was incredibly poorly worded. Has he seen the first unacceptable thing ever today? Or has it become unacceptable for the first time because he saw it today? Not only was I misled, I was also misled without my knowledge or sanction.

You can work out what he's trying to say but that's garbled as fuck.

Eh? Seems fine in the context.

He's saddened that the inappropriate conduct happened without his knowledge?

There are about four different things he's trying to say there and he's joining them together so they don't make sense. He's saddened by it and it happened without his knowledge and it was inappropriate but he's not sad that they did inappropriate things without his knowledge, we shouldn't be taking from this that he feels like he missed out on all the good abuse of power. Nor should we think that he is today learning that it happened without his knowledge, implying that he previously thought it happened with his knowledge but just found out that he didn't know about it which is just nonsense. You can decipher it but if you wrote that shit in an essay you'd lose marks for it.

In the spirit of fairness I was also somewhat put out when I read an Obama speech in which he said something along the lines of "in no other country could someone from my background become President of the United States" and thought "well no shit, other countries don't have Presidents of the United States".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 01:02:17
January 09 2014 00:56 GMT
#15339
On January 09 2014 09:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 09:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On January 09 2014 08:56 KwarK wrote:
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has acknowledged that the New Jersey bridge closing scandal has reached his office.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Christie responded to the revelation that one of his close aides discussed plans to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge last year.

“What I've seen today for the first time is unacceptable," Christie said. "I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge."


Maybe it's because he's fired his staff so nobody is checking what his statements say for him but that was incredibly poorly worded. Has he seen the first unacceptable thing ever today? Or has it become unacceptable for the first time because he saw it today? Not only was I misled, I was also misled without my knowledge or sanction.

You can work out what he's trying to say but that's garbled as fuck.

Eh? Seems fine in the context.

He's saddened that the inappropriate conduct happened without his knowledge?

There are about four different things he's trying to say there and he's joining them together so they don't make sense. He's saddened by it and it happened without his knowledge and it was inappropriate but he's not sad that they did inappropriate things without his knowledge, we shouldn't be taking from this that he feels like he missed out on all the good abuse of power. Nor should we think that he is today learning that it happened without his knowledge, implying that he previously thought it happened with his knowledge but just found out that he didn't know about it which is just nonsense. You can decipher it but if you wrote that shit in an essay you'd lose marks for it.

Yeah, I see your point. It's kinda the norm for the situation though.

Edit: it's worded to maximize CYA
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 01:16:34
January 09 2014 01:15 GMT
#15340
On January 09 2014 09:06 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 07:51 farvacola wrote:
It surprises me not at all that Danglars is unable to see the problem in how income is so heavily affected by work over the already daily allotment. That we are one of the worlds most overworked nations is nothing to be proud of.
Yes, we most certainly must ban people from working longer hours and very specific spans because it is discriminatory towards women. We most certainly should implement a mandatory daily quota and ban every ounce of pay beyond it--make it illegal. Only then can we say we are in a post-glass-ceiling world.

I'm sure, as you are clearly interested in reducing the gender pay gap, that you read the paper with alarm. My local feminists had not previously informed me either that the "incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours" was a critical influence in depressing women's wages the gender wage gap. The article does not go far enough in exploring government solutions towards equality in this area. This oversight may soon put Claudia Goldin in the ranks of the Paglia's.

That or men are more likely to accept getting fucked into overwork that isn't covered by their salary. EITHER OR LOL. This may not exist in your 'free market' but unlogged overtime for both wage and especially salary workers exists.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
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