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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 19 2017 11:55 GMT
#151701
The FBI director used Looney Tunes Stealth technology to try and avoid contact with Trump

But he said Mr. Comey had also described other encounters with the president that had troubled him.

One of those occurred at the White House on Jan. 22, just two days after Mr. Trump was sworn in. That day, Mr. Trump hosted a ceremony to honor law enforcement officials who had provided security for the inauguration.

Mr. Wittes said Mr. Comey told him that he initially did not want to go to the meeting because the F.B.I. director should not have too close a relationship with the White House. But Mr. Comey went because he wanted to represent the bureau.

The ceremony occurred in the Blue Room of the White House, where many senior law enforcement officials — including the Secret Service director — had gathered. Mr. Comey — who is 6 feet 8 inches tall and was wearing a dark blue suit that day – told Mr. Wittes that he tried to blend in with the blue curtains in the back of the room, in the hopes that Mr. Trump would not spot him and call him out.

“He thought he had gotten through and not been noticed or singled out and that he was going to get away without an individual interaction,” Mr. Wittes said Mr. Comey told him.

But Mr. Trump spotted Mr. Comey and called him out.

“Oh and there’s Jim,” Mr. Trump said. “He’s become more famous than me.”

With an abashed look on his face, Mr. Comey walked up to Mr. Trump.

“Comey said that as he was walking across the room he was determined that there wasn’t going to be a hug,” Mr. Wittes said. “It was bad enough there was going to be a handshake. And Comey has long arms so Comey said he pre-emptively reached out for a handshake and grabbed the president’s hand. But Trump pulled him into an embrace and Comey didn’t reciprocate. If you look at the video, it’s one person shaking hands and another hugging
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After reading this the video is great

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 12:02:37
May 19 2017 12:02 GMT
#151702
As part of President Trump's executive order to review "job-killing regulations," the Environmental Protection Agency last month asked for the public's input on what to streamline or cut. It held a series of open-mic meetings, and set up a website that has now received more than 28,000 comments, many of which urge the agency not to roll back environmental protections.

"The EPA saves lives," wrote Benjamin Kraushaar, who described himself as a hydrologist, hunter and flyfisherman. He wrote that environmental regulations "ensure safe air and water for our future generations. This should not be even up for debate."

"The problem isn't regulation," wrote Marcia Nichols in another comment. "It's with greedy corporate leaders who are more concerned about the bottom line." Like many others, she credited the EPA with improving air and water that were visibly polluted in the 1970's. "I remember orange skies over cities, acid rain eroding statues in parks, frequent boil orders for water," she wrote.

A military veteran and entrepreneur wrote that, "I'm well aware that excessive regulation can impose an undue burden." However, continued Jeff Baker, "what is less discussed these days are the economic and societal costs already avoided and prevented by current rules."

Others criticized EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt for questioning climate science, talked about the importance of keeping curbs on carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, and said that regulations, too, can create jobs. One commenter simply filled an entire page with "no no no no no no."

Scrolling through the comments, it's hard to find any that advocate rolling back regulations. But there are some who took the agency's request to heart. Richard Doherty wrote that he oversees the clean up of contaminated sites and has a problem with regulation "40 CFR Part 261 Subpart D." Often, he wrote, material that's not actually hazardous has to be treated as such, which wastes money and ends up doing "more environmental harm than good."

Workboat.com also reported on comments from the American Waterways Operators association, which applauded Trump for recognizing that "burdensome rules stifle business." The group said it needs more consistent regulations governing interstate commerce by water. It also asked the administration to review one regulation on sewage discharge and another on emissions standards for certain diesel engines.

EPA spokeswoman Liz Bowman says the agency "appreciates all of the public comments," and will consider them in "identifying potential opportunities to reduce regulatory burdens," as directed by the president. She says an EPA task force expects to submit a progress report on that effort by May 25.

During a commencement address at the Coast Guard Academy this week, President Trump said, "I've loosened up the strangling environmental chains wrapped around our country and our economy."

The White House budget proposal would shrink EPA funding by nearly a third, the biggest cut of any agency. But EPA isn't the only part of government the administration wants to potentially downsize. In another executive order, Trump has mandated that federal agencies repeal two regulations for every new one they create. Environmental groups allege that's unlawful and have sued to stop the directive.

In the Senate this week, lawmakers took up the Regulatory Accountability Act, which would require all agencies to consider the cost of a regulation when creating it. Oil and gas and other industry groups laud the bill as promoting "good governance" and "accountability," while environmental groups complain that it would "emphasize costs to industry over benefits to Americans."


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a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
May 19 2017 12:08 GMT
#151703
I'd like to see lastpuritan defend this:

+ Show Spoiler +


It is said that you can hear the Turkish words "gel", which means "come", and "dalın diyor" which means "he says attack".

And there's this angle where it shows Erdogan in the car, talking to his body guards, and then chaos ensues after another body guard nods and runs off to the crowd:

+ Show Spoiler +


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When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 19 2017 12:10 GMT
#151704
He already has, once here and once in the UK thread. Basic translation being: all Kurds must die, Turkey strong.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28743 Posts
May 19 2017 12:13 GMT
#151705
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 12:21:55
May 19 2017 12:20 GMT
#151706
I don't know, I distinctively remember reading that it makes his day every time kurds are bombed or something like that. Hard to believe he is engaged to a Kurd with an attitude like that. May have misread though.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 19 2017 12:21 GMT
#151707
Turkeys president is a joke and I hope that there is repercussions for what happened. If not Trump is definitely a weak person...
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 12:21 GMT
#151708
No, it really isn't. Speaking in general it's perfectly possible to have disdain for a specific group while having relationships with "one of the good ones." In terms of lastpuritan and similar minded Turks specifically I have to say that I find their approach to Kurds/PKK sort of disdainful, but I do feel that there is a need to try to understand the circumstances rather than just write them off as "the bad people" like certain schools of thought in Europe tend to do. The latter is always laden with deep hypocrisy in my experience.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28743 Posts
May 19 2017 12:29 GMT
#151709
ok, you can still be racist against black people while having a black wife, just like black people can be racist against black people. But not the 'all black people must die' type of racism, just like lastpuritan can't be accused of thinking 'all kurds must die'.
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 19 2017 12:30 GMT
#151710
On May 19 2017 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)

Was every protestor at the embassy clearly pro-pkk? If not then he definitely has a problems with Kurds in general
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
May 19 2017 12:32 GMT
#151711
On May 19 2017 21:30 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)

Was every protestor at the embassy clearly pro-pkk? If not then he definitely has a problems with Kurds in general

Just everyone that gets targeted by Turkey must be pro-PKK or an overthrow planning Gulenist. Crystal clear!

TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 12:43:20
May 19 2017 12:39 GMT
#151712
On May 19 2017 21:32 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 21:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On May 19 2017 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)

Was every protestor at the embassy clearly pro-pkk? If not then he definitely has a problems with Kurds in general

Just everyone that gets targeted by Turkey must be pro-PKK or an overthrow planning Gulenist. Crystal clear!


Here's the thing:

Lastpuritan may not be against Kurds in general. But every Kurd who isn't pro-Erdogan is automatically in his opinion a PKK sympathizer. And what does he think about PKK-sympathizers?

On May 18 2017 08:44 lastpuritan wrote:
[...]it makes my day whenever we bomb them, why would I care if they got a little kickin.


Basically: If you're a good (read: pro-Erdogan) Kurd you are good to go. If you are anti-Erdogan you deserve to die.

TL:DR: Lastpuritan is clearly not having any issues with Kurds in general. Only like with 99% of them.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18218 Posts
May 19 2017 12:45 GMT
#151713
On May 19 2017 21:30 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)

Was every protestor at the embassy clearly pro-pkk? If not then he definitely has a problems with Kurds in general

He also claimed they got beaten up for supporting the PKK, but insofar as I have seen the videos, they are waving Syrian flags around, particularly the red-yellow-green is of the Kurdish controlled region Rojava in Syria. No PKK.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 19 2017 12:49 GMT
#151714
House leaders have yet to send their Obamacare repeal bill to the Senate as they await a budget analysis that could force them to revise — and re-vote on — the high-stakes legislation.

A House GOP leadership source indicated that the measure will very likely move to the Senate after the Congressional Budget Office releases its score of the bill early next week. But “out of an abundance of caution,” Republicans have held onto the measure, known as the American Health Care Act, the source said.

The news, first reported by Bloomberg, raises the prospect of another uncomfortable vote for GOP lawmakers. The House narrowly passed the legislation earlier this month after a series of wrenching negotiations among a divided Republican conference. The bill passed 217-213 and forced a slew of vulnerable and moderate Republican lawmakers to support the bill through gritted teeth.

Asked about their hurry to pass the bill despite lacking a final CBO score, lawmakers argued they had made onlly small tweaks to the measure in the final negotiations. But they also need to ensure that the latest version conforms to complex budget reconciliation rules. Under reconciliation, the bill can pass the Senate with 51 votes, rather than the typical 60-vote threshold, ensuring Democratic support is not needed.

“Based on the previous two scores, we believe we’ll hit our target deficit reduction number, but we’re holding out of an abundance of caution,” the House GOP leadership aide said.

For the bill to meet the reconciliation standard, CBO must find that it will reduce spending by at least $2 billion.

Senate Republican aides said Thursday they're not worried about the updated bill violating reconciliation rules, but they also weren’t involved in crafting the House legislation. They knew they would always have to wait for a CBO score on the House bill because the same rules require the Senate’s version to at least match the savings of the House bill.

Senate Republicans, who are working on their own bill, say they're not close to putting legislation on the floor.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 19 2017 12:56 GMT
#151715
On May 19 2017 21:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 21:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On May 19 2017 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
didnt he specify quite a lot of times that he hates the PKK, not kurds in general? Being engaged to a kurdish girl I think? (While the 'I have a black friend' isn't really a good defense against racism allegations, I have a black wife actually is, imo.)

Was every protestor at the embassy clearly pro-pkk? If not then he definitely has a problems with Kurds in general

He also claimed they got beaten up for supporting the PKK, but insofar as I have seen the videos, they are waving Syrian flags around, particularly the red-yellow-green is of the Kurdish controlled region Rojava in Syria. No PKK.

Back filling justifications is a classic excuse for xenophobia.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43597 Posts
May 19 2017 13:16 GMT
#151716
On May 19 2017 19:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"


From what I've seen, they've done a pretty good job 'crushing the hell out of ISIS'. Normally I'm inclined to consider the hawkishness the worst part of american governments, but crushing IS is more worthy than the average military operation, and regarding pretty much everything else, I've either been opposed to the goal, shocked by the incompetence, or both.

That was already happening though and Trump hasn't done anything new on that front. The Iraqi army with American intelligence and support has been beating them for a while now.
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 13:24:21
May 19 2017 13:24 GMT
#151717
On May 19 2017 21:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Turkeys president is a joke and I hope that there is repercussions for what happened. If not Trump is definitely a weak person...


I'm pretty sure Trump and his supporters won't be bothered by protesters getting beat up by security forces, particularly foreign looking protesters. They probably fantasize about beating up people protesting their own dear leader. I'll be surprised if there's any kind of harsh public response.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11426 Posts
May 19 2017 13:33 GMT
#151718
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"

Gorsuch without a doubt. Couldn't say off hand about anything else.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28743 Posts
May 19 2017 13:41 GMT
#151719
On May 19 2017 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 19:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"


From what I've seen, they've done a pretty good job 'crushing the hell out of ISIS'. Normally I'm inclined to consider the hawkishness the worst part of american governments, but crushing IS is more worthy than the average military operation, and regarding pretty much everything else, I've either been opposed to the goal, shocked by the incompetence, or both.

That was already happening though and Trump hasn't done anything new on that front. The Iraqi army with American intelligence and support has been beating them for a while now.


Sure. But if he 'continued doing what Obama was doing' across the board, then 95% of my criticism towards Trump would go away. I'm not giving Trump personally a bunch of credit for this.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 19 2017 13:52 GMT
#151720
On May 19 2017 22:33 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"

Gorsuch without a doubt. Couldn't say off hand about anything else.


The only other thing I can think of is stopping the awful changes to the House Ethics Committee Ryan and co. tried to pull.
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