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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 19 2017 02:36 GMT
#151681
On May 19 2017 11:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So what was given in return?


Brokering peace in the middle east one 110Billion dollar arms deal at a time
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 19 2017 03:05 GMT
#151682
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"
Question.?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
May 19 2017 03:10 GMT
#151683
Without a list of accomplishments in front of me... probably not. Might be something though.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
May 19 2017 03:15 GMT
#151684
Mattis. Gorsuch. The fact that Trmp's rhetoric alone decreased illegal immigration sharply.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 19 2017 03:21 GMT
#151685
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"

Pulled out of the TPP. Can't say his follow-up was well thought out but that trade deal needed to die a horrible death.

I liked that he kept Comey until he didn't.

Some people like the Gorsuch confirmation.

Manages to pit a lot of people I don't like in the government against each other.

Beyond those it's a Trumpster fire.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 03:23:00
May 19 2017 03:22 GMT
#151686
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"

Well considering how grossly incompetent Trump is... it's hard for there to be much. I guess I like how impotent they've been with bad policies, like Trump care, the travel ban, the wall and withdrawing from the paris accord. Mattis is the only good cabinet choice that I'm aware of. Gorsuch doesn't seem that terrible.

The #1 thing I'm glad about is withdrawing from the TPP.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 19 2017 03:27 GMT
#151687
On May 19 2017 12:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Mattis. Gorsuch. The fact that Trmp's rhetoric alone decreased illegal immigration sharply.

Cabinet. Gorsuch. Combative attitude towards a formerly sycophantic press.

The administration isn't filled with Clinton cronies having a smooth time going after Clinton's agenda. I'll choose chaos over chugging towards bad ends. But that's more things they aren't doing that I'm glad of, not things I like about the administration, which was the question.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 03:31:02
May 19 2017 03:30 GMT
#151688
A stretch of sunny, windy days, combined with brimming reservoirs at hydroelectric plants across the state, helped California reach a renewable energy milestone last weekend.

Early Saturday afternoon, renewable sources produced a record 67.2 percent of the electricity on the portion of the state’s power grid controlled by the California Independent System Operator. That figure does not include large hydropower facilities, which added another 13.5 percent.

Based in Folsom, the ISO runs 80 percent of the state’s grid.

More than half of the renewable energy flowing across the grid at that moment on Saturday came from large solar facilities and wind farms. The ISO’s numbers do not even account for electricity from rooftop solar arrays.

Overall, renewables accounted for 42 percent of the California grid’s power on Saturday, not counting the large hydropower plants.

“The fact that the grid can handle 67 percent renewable power from multiple sources — it’s a great moment, and it shows the potential we have,” said Sachu Constantine, the director of policy at the Center for Sustainable Energy, a nonprofit clean energy advisory firm in Berkeley.

Sustaining such high levels, however, will be challenging, he said.

California law requires utilities to get 33 percent of their electricity from renewable sources by 2020, rising to 50 percent by 2030. Last year, California's three large electric utilities collectively got 32.3 percent of their electricity from renewables. (Neither the state requirement nor the 2016 figure includes large hydropower facilities.)

Saturday’s numbers are the latest benchmark in what is expected to be a record-setting year for renewable energy production in California, because of the growing number of solar power plants in the state, the seasonal increase in sunshine and the flush hydroelectricity reserves produced by last winter’s rain.

For a span of three hours on March 11, solar power met roughly half of all electricity demand across much of the state, according to the federal Energy Information Administration, the Energy Department’s statistics division. The proportion of power produced from renewables that day peaked at 56.7 percent — a record at the time.

The torrents of rain that fell in the state have filled hydroelectric dams to levels not seen in decades. Up to 21 percent of the state’s total electricity output could come from hydroelectricity this year, according estimates from the California Energy Commission.

And on Tuesday, the state set a new record for wind power generation, producing 4,985 megawatts. A megawatt is a snapshot figure roughly equal to the amount of energy used by 760 homes at any given moment.

“It’s going to be a dynamic year for records,” said Steven Greenlee, a spokesman for the ISO. “The solar records in particular are falling like dominoes.”

It is possible, Greenlee said, that the state could cross the 70 percent threshold for renewable production this summer.

The steady stream of record-breaking days is a positive sign that the grid is adapting well to the influx of renewable energy, according to Greenlee. “That shows how our grid is shifting from the old paradigm, the old grid we used to have,” he said.


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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 03:41:16
May 19 2017 03:40 GMT
#151689
On May 19 2017 12:27 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 12:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Mattis. Gorsuch. The fact that Trmp's rhetoric alone decreased illegal immigration sharply.

Cabinet. Gorsuch. Combative attitude towards a formerly sycophantic press.

The administration isn't filled with Clinton cronies having a smooth time going after Clinton's agenda. I'll choose chaos over chugging towards bad ends. But that's more things they aren't doing that I'm glad of, not things I like about the administration, which was the question.


Trump's combative attitude towards the press, and the establishment in general is why his base will never ever leave him. It's cause the base also has that deep hatred, it burns bright and even if Trump fails to deliver on every campaign promise, so long as he is combative to the right targets, his base will be satisfied. I mean you can see the bloodlust in full force out right now of the press. If Mueller let's trump off the hook, I don't think the media will ever be able to recover, certainly not from half the country.
Question.?
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 04:23:54
May 19 2017 04:23 GMT
#151690
On May 19 2017 12:40 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 12:27 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 12:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Mattis. Gorsuch. The fact that Trmp's rhetoric alone decreased illegal immigration sharply.

Cabinet. Gorsuch. Combative attitude towards a formerly sycophantic press.

The administration isn't filled with Clinton cronies having a smooth time going after Clinton's agenda. I'll choose chaos over chugging towards bad ends. But that's more things they aren't doing that I'm glad of, not things I like about the administration, which was the question.


Trump's combative attitude towards the press, and the establishment in general is why his base will never ever leave him. It's cause the base also has that deep hatred, it burns bright and even if Trump fails to deliver on every campaign promise, so long as he is combative to the right targets, his base will be satisfied. I mean you can see the bloodlust in full force out right now of the press. If Mueller let's trump off the hook, I don't think the media will ever be able to recover, certainly not from half the country.


I think you're just wrong about the media not being able to recover. At the end of the day the stories they post are still not fake or made up, they are still reporting thr facts (obviously not talking about things like fox or breitbart here.) Regardless of what the investigation shows the same people that froth at the mouth at the thought of not right wing faux media will continue to do the same. The people who trust NYT and wapo and such will continue to do so. And at the end of the day even if trump survives his entire term, it can always be said that it was only due to Republicans helping him and obstructing investigations and obstructing attempts to get rid of him.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
May 19 2017 04:23 GMT
#151691
The best thing about this administration is that it brought out what we knew was lurking beneath the shadows. Mattis is the only good hire to come from this administration. He loves the military so I don't think he'll let us go into one half-assed and on some jackass's petty whims.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 04:35:45
May 19 2017 04:34 GMT
#151692
On May 19 2017 13:23 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
The best thing about this administration is that it brought out what we knew was lurking beneath the shadows. Mattis is the only good hire to come from this administration. He loves the military so I don't think he'll let us go into one half-assed and on some jackass's petty whims.

Have you seen some of his rhetoric on Iran? He might not go half-assed, but he sounds like he might be liable to flatten the whole country, which isn't much better. Wasn't Mattis fired from Obama's administration after Obama had negotiated that deal to stop their nuclear weapons program? I can't find it now, but I seem to recall some very unhinged sort of speech on the White House lawn after he got fired.


I think he was basically right in line with Hillary's thoughts on the matter:

MS. CLINTON: Well, you up the pain that they have to endure by not in any way occupying or invading them but by bombing their facilities. I mean, that is the option. It is not as, we like to say these days, boots on the ground.

MR. BLANKFEIN: Has it ever worked in the history of a war? Did it work in London during the blitz or --

MS. CLINTON: No. It didn't work to break the spirit of the people of London, but London was a democracy. London was a free country. London was united in their opposition to Nazi Germany and was willing to bear what was a terrible price for so long with the blitz and the bombings. Everybody says that Iran, you know, has united --

MR. BLANKFEIN: Many -- they held out for an awful --

MS. CLINTON: They wanted -- yeah. But I mean, people will fight for themselves. They will fight for themselves, but this is fighting for a program. I mean, the calculation is exactly as you described it. It's a very hard one, which is why when people just pontificate that, you know, we have no choice. We have to bomb the facilities. They act as though there would be no consequences either predicted or unpredicted. Of course there would be, and you already are dealing with a regime
that is the principal funder and supplier of terrorism in the world today.

Just bomb them like the Nazis bombed London, we'll break them that way!
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When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
May 19 2017 05:36 GMT
#151693
Mueller is a pro at letting people off the hook. He cleared the NFL on the Ray Rice thing (while not really clearing them) and he helped stop the renewal of a wildly unconstitutional wiretapping program (while not really stopping the wiretapping).

Seems like a hell of a guy in general, and I don't even really understand how/why they worked out like they did, but I'm about 85% sure he's there to suck up the attention on the whole Russia thing so Republicans and Democrats can pass a repatriation bill sooner than later. Trump can't get out of his own way bringing up the pettiest stuff at the least opportune times of course, so who knows if they can keep him from screwing it up.

When Mueller is done he'll say Trump's team did some questionable/bad stuff, none of it will be "throw him in jail/must impeach" bad (although I don't doubt it's there). Or Trump wont be able to control himself (very possible) and he'll force congress's hand into pressuring him out (this is only if they absolutely have to and it's seen as less damaging than keeping him there).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
May 19 2017 05:38 GMT
#151694
On May 19 2017 13:34 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 13:23 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
The best thing about this administration is that it brought out what we knew was lurking beneath the shadows. Mattis is the only good hire to come from this administration. He loves the military so I don't think he'll let us go into one half-assed and on some jackass's petty whims.

Have you seen some of his rhetoric on Iran? He might not go half-assed, but he sounds like he might be liable to flatten the whole country, which isn't much better. Wasn't Mattis fired from Obama's administration after Obama had negotiated that deal to stop their nuclear weapons program? I can't find it now, but I seem to recall some very unhinged sort of speech on the White House lawn after he got fired.


I think he was basically right in line with Hillary's thoughts on the matter:

Show nested quote +
MS. CLINTON: Well, you up the pain that they have to endure by not in any way occupying or invading them but by bombing their facilities. I mean, that is the option. It is not as, we like to say these days, boots on the ground.

MR. BLANKFEIN: Has it ever worked in the history of a war? Did it work in London during the blitz or --

MS. CLINTON: No. It didn't work to break the spirit of the people of London, but London was a democracy. London was a free country. London was united in their opposition to Nazi Germany and was willing to bear what was a terrible price for so long with the blitz and the bombings. Everybody says that Iran, you know, has united --

MR. BLANKFEIN: Many -- they held out for an awful --

MS. CLINTON: They wanted -- yeah. But I mean, people will fight for themselves. They will fight for themselves, but this is fighting for a program. I mean, the calculation is exactly as you described it. It's a very hard one, which is why when people just pontificate that, you know, we have no choice. We have to bomb the facilities. They act as though there would be no consequences either predicted or unpredicted. Of course there would be, and you already are dealing with a regime
that is the principal funder and supplier of terrorism in the world today.

Just bomb them like the Nazis bombed London, we'll break them that way!
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

I have read a lot of his speeches and his thoughts. As a USMC veteran, these are some of the few things we tend to care about. If Iran did something that deserved his wrath, I would be remiss to think that he wouldn't have exhausted all of his options before flattening it. He puts America and the military above his own life, so I think he would do whatever was necessary to protect them both.

He was the first in the administration to straight out say that climate change is the single greatest threat to national security and that we need to take it seriously. He also understands the need to not put boots on the ground in order to qualm public disagreement, for lack of a better word, in war time situations. He is, in regards to keeping international peace, the best hire this administration has done. He's respected worldwide for his knowledge.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
May 19 2017 08:34 GMT
#151695
Meh, every morning I check the news to see if Trump is gone already. It's an unproductive obsession.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
May 19 2017 09:43 GMT
#151696
On May 19 2017 17:34 Grumbels wrote:
Meh, every morning I check the news to see if Trump is gone already. It's an unproductive obsession.


I'm hearing he said one thing from CNN, and another thing from MSNBC, one of them has to be wrong, maybe both, but at least one of them is reporting something factually wrong about words Trump said. Might as well just stamp "Fake News" on it themselves.

I can't believe how much these people get paid to do this crap.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11854 Posts
May 19 2017 10:02 GMT
#151697
On May 19 2017 18:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 17:34 Grumbels wrote:
Meh, every morning I check the news to see if Trump is gone already. It's an unproductive obsession.


I'm hearing he said one thing from CNN, and another thing from MSNBC, one of them has to be wrong, maybe both, but at least one of them is reporting something factually wrong about words Trump said. Might as well just stamp "Fake News" on it themselves.

I can't believe how much these people get paid to do this crap.


Would not be surprised if Trump said both things. Even if they directly contradict each other and was said within minutes of each other.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
May 19 2017 10:06 GMT
#151698
A handful of top Republicans have a message for outgoing Rep. Jason Chaffetz: It's time to relinquish the House Oversight Committee gavel.

Several senior GOP lawmakers are quietly encouraging Chaffetz to step down from his chairmanship soon, even though the Utah Republican doesn’t plan to resign from Congress until June 30. While his retirement announcement Thursday said nothing about his future work, Chaffetz has told lawmakers he’ll be heading to Fox News.

But GOP insiders say Chaffetz has been reluctant to let go of his panel’s leadership before he leaves Congress — and now he’s thrown himself into the thick of the Russia scandal that’s consuming Washington. It’s made for an uncertain transition at the committee and a sore subject for House Republicans.

"If the chairman is on his way out... he should step down and allow the Steering Committee to move immediately to appoint a new chairman," said Rep. Steve Womack, an Arkansas Republican who sits on the Steering panel, which selects committee chairmen. "Sooner, not later."

Critics are grumbling that even as Chaffetz was planning his retirement, he summoned newly-fired FBI Director James Comey to testify before his panel next week. Chaffetz said he wants to question Comey about allegations that President Donald Trump tried to pressure him to drop an investigation of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

The explosive hearing announcement — and Chaffetz’s threat to subpoena related FBI documents should they refuse to hand them over — has annoyed a number of GOP lawmakers. They worry that a major chairmanship transition in the middle of a high-profile probe of the president’s actions could create confusion at the committee.

These sources believe it would make more sense if a new chairman took the lead before the committee's Comey probe takes off.

"Chaffetz is job-hunting when he should be doing the people's business," said one Republican who asked not to be named.

Chaffetz, reached by phone Thursday night, said he was "trying to do the right thing" by notifying colleagues of his departure weeks before he steps down. He said he still has a number of ongoing investigations and doesn't plan to drop them just yet....


Republicans shove Chaffetz on his way out
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28674 Posts
May 19 2017 10:41 GMT
#151699
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"


From what I've seen, they've done a pretty good job 'crushing the hell out of ISIS'. Normally I'm inclined to consider the hawkishness the worst part of american governments, but crushing IS is more worthy than the average military operation, and regarding pretty much everything else, I've either been opposed to the goal, shocked by the incompetence, or both.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
May 19 2017 11:23 GMT
#151700
On May 19 2017 19:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 12:05 biology]major wrote:
Is there anything you guys actually like about this administration? Anything thus far you can point to and say "hm, they did a good job there"


From what I've seen, they've done a pretty good job 'crushing the hell out of ISIS'. Normally I'm inclined to consider the hawkishness the worst part of american governments, but crushing IS is more worthy than the average military operation, and regarding pretty much everything else, I've either been opposed to the goal, shocked by the incompetence, or both.

To be fair, ISIS has been on the back foot for something like a year and were losing huge portion of their territory in the fall. As far as I can see I don't think this administration does a worse job than Obama's on ISIS; it just happens that the US still don't have a coherent strategy, because it seems that all options are dreadful.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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