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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 00:34 GMT
#151641
All hail Overmind Trump and Cerebrates Ryan and McConnell!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35163 Posts
May 19 2017 00:36 GMT
#151642
Does that make Sanders Flash?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 19 2017 00:37 GMT
#151643
On May 19 2017 06:07 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 05:59 zlefin wrote:
On May 19 2017 05:47 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh and btw trainrunnef, in my adult working life I have never made any jokes about "body odor, weight, sex, color, penis size, or eye color". It sounds like a good way to get fired. Have to raise an eyebrow at some of these btw, since you are clearly refering to yourself. I mean I can kinda understand making a joke at a coworkers body odor but...Penis size really? Eye color really? How do you make a off color joke about eye color exactly?


Then maybe you as a great example of a human being with morals and character should be running for office, and no I am not being facetious. There's too many good people not running for office.

The biggest issue is that you are confusing my apathy over this one issue for an overall support of the right, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Its a shitty joke with a shitty response and though we could make a huge deal about a politician lying, this particular lie, in this particular situation just doesn't have enough backup to make it really important (to me), unless something else comes out like a follow up conversation reinforcing the fact that it wasn't a joke etc.

running for office is really hard; and you have to work with a bunch of jerks (the politicians).
having integrity and character is far from enough, you have to be convincing. it's also of course rather hard to actually tell the integrity of people, and politicians are good at faking things.

There may be ways to change the setup so that it's easier to get the moral people in; of course whether they'll truly do a better job can be a bit hard to say at times.


this is all true, but you dont need to start at going for president. Most of the local politicians are hanging on by momentum of incumbency. It is difficult, and maybe not even rewarding compared to the costs, but thats why they call it public service.

I've yet to make it onto local committees even. I'm a REALLY terrible salesman. mostly I don't try that hard. It's a lot of work getting elected, far more than a typical job application.
local politicians, to dislodge you need to be known; the known/unknown difference makes incumbency extra strong locally. sadly, a lot of local positions aren't even contested elections; not much democracy can do if the majority of hte posts only have one person running.

only so many sacrifices i'm willing to make for public service, and clearly not enough to get into the positions; at least not the elected ones. not that i'd win anyways, I'm really bad at elections.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3261 Posts
May 19 2017 00:37 GMT
#151644
Obvious question, who's Kerrigan?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 19 2017 00:38 GMT
#151645
Ivanka, i guess?
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 00:38 GMT
#151646
On May 19 2017 09:37 ChristianS wrote:
Obvious question, who's Kerrigan?

Quite clearly Ivanka.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35163 Posts
May 19 2017 00:39 GMT
#151647
On May 19 2017 09:37 ChristianS wrote:
Obvious question, who's Kerrigan?

Ivanka?
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:40:06
May 19 2017 00:39 GMT
#151648
Conservatives slinging their shit everywhere like the zerg?
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3261 Posts
May 19 2017 00:40 GMT
#151649
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:42:39
May 19 2017 00:41 GMT
#151650
On May 19 2017 09:30 Nyxisto wrote:
Zergs are a communist collective, can't be conservative, Protoss have zealots, so they're clearly the party of Ted Cruz, leaves Terrans for the Democrats I guess

Republicans: Protoss - they keep winning using the same build order and tricks, no one can really justify since their players are garbage. Constantly whine about being under powered for no good reason. Force fields are gerrymandering.

Democrats: Terran - claim they have it the hardest. Their build orders are complex and have a lot of options, but people use the same trick over and over. Can call in donations form the sky to boost their economy. End game is terrible, or so they say. Demands to be buffed all the time and whine about everyone else being OP.

Zerg: Leftist - Crush terrans out of the opening bracket, then lose to Protoss in the finals. Claims terrans are OP and cheat. Sometimes bitch about protoss, but its mostly terrans fault for forcing their race to be designed badly. Demands lurker(single payer)
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
May 19 2017 00:41 GMT
#151651
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 00:42 GMT
#151652
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone

I was thinking Conway might work but then I realized that Ivanka is far more on the "inner circle" than Conway so it's far more fitting.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3261 Posts
May 19 2017 00:42 GMT
#151653
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

Who was that asshole cerebrate from the original starcraft campaign? Zasz or something?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35163 Posts
May 19 2017 00:43 GMT
#151654
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

That Old Zerg guy you get in HotS. Forgot what he's called.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:44:21
May 19 2017 00:43 GMT
#151655
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

Ultralisk. Tanks for the team.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 19 2017 00:44 GMT
#151656
Also Protoss are an alien race and well we all know Cruz true origins
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:45:40
May 19 2017 00:45 GMT
#151657
On May 19 2017 09:43 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

Ultralisk.


Naaah, if he's a unit, then it has to be an Infestor. Neural parasite.

edit2edit: everyone tanks for the hivemind.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 19 2017 00:45 GMT
#151658
On May 19 2017 09:44 Nyxisto wrote:
Also Protoss are an alien race and well we all know Cruz true origins

Cruz is a Dark Templar though. Zealots are too cool for him. McCain is a dragoon.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:51:52
May 19 2017 00:46 GMT
#151659
On May 19 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 08:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 19 2017 08:07 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:47 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:35 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:21 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Calling it right now if Trump pulls the US out of the Agreement Europe, and Asia will slap tariffs on to certain US goods.

The Paris Agreement on global warming is “irreversible and non-negotiable”, the European Union has said in a blunt warning to climate science denier Donald Trump.

The EU and 79 developing countries in Africa, the Pacific and Caribbean issued a statement in which they reaffirmed their commitment to the landmark deal and called for others to do the same.

The Trump administration is currently considering whether to withdraw from the agreement, which committed the world to keeping global warming to as close to 1.5 degrees Celsius as possible.

The US President has laughably described climate change as a hoax perpetrated by China, a suggestion one of his advisers later described as an “exaggeration”.

Without specifically mentioning Mr Trump, Miguel Arias Cañete, the European Commissioner for climate action and energy, said: “Today more than ever, Europe stands by its long-term partners most vulnerable to climate change.

“We, developed and developing countries together, will defend the Paris Agreement.

“We are all in, and our joint commitment to this agreement today is as in Paris: irreversible and non-negotiable.”

And Patrick Gomes, Secretary-General of the African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States (ACP), said: “The longstanding, ongoing cooperation between the ACP group and the EU shows we are serious about addressing the impacts of climate change.

“Implementing the Paris Agreement is not only about ensuring the very survival of the 79 ACP countries, but also about building sustainable, resilient and prosperous economies and societies worldwide.”

They made the call at a United Nation’s climate change conference taking place in Bonn, Germany, ahead of forthcoming meetings of the G7 and G20 groups of world leaders.

The EU announced it would provide 800 million euros (about £680m) of support to ACP countries with about half to be used to address climate change.

The Paris Agreement contained pledges and aspirations but work is still being done to develop actual action that this achieve the goals.

The Trump administration is believed to be split over whether to withdraw the US as a signatory to the Paris Agreement.

Some, like Defence Secretary James Mattis are believed to recognise the dangers posed by climate change – something that has been taken seriously by the Pentagon for years, given the threats to global security.

Others are thought to be in favour of staying in so that the US simply has a “seat at the table” during future talks and to avoid paying a diplomatic cost of withdrawing from a major international agreement.

When the US and China jointly ratified the deal, Barack Obama suggested it could become regarded as the moment humanity finally decided to save itself.


Source

All the players you cite are too interested in their own economic impact from customers to products to lift a finger. The worst he'll get is a few very strongly worded condemnations and some threats.


Isn't this perspective ignoring the fact that lots of countries have participated in sanctions against various countries, despite the economic impact of doing so? Its not like we only apply economic sanctions in cases where we don't care.

I have yet to see sanctions of any meaningful kind enacted on the basis of carbon output. Humanitarian abuses and as a tool in diplomacy short of going to war, for sure.


Other countries, who see global warming as an enormously bad, terrible thing, would be more likely to see carbon output as a bigger deal than you do, right? You gotta keep in mind that many governments are operating under the assumption that global warming will be very damaging if not reduced as much as possible.

But actually doing something about it and letting voters know they will have to suffer ... this has been hard enough globally to do with ones own citizens, let alone try to raise sanctions for others. When I heard StealthBlue mention Asia, I chuckled to think of India and China pressing the USA to reduce our carbon dioxide emissions. Physician, heal thyself.

China takes pollution and carbon dioxide emission very seriously.

India's CO2 emission is like 1/4 of the US with 5x the population.

Sorry, I hardly know if you speak in jest.

India's on a good uptick ... 2015's growth canceled out all China & USA's cuts according to EU sources.


co2 reduction seems to be a completely lost cause unfortunately. No one is doing anything significant,it is filled with hypocracy and double standards in every country. Europe is no different then usa in this but Europe acts like they are much better,well they are not. Norway for example filled their own country with green energy and electric vehicles,its a drop in the ocean compared to the emissions of their exported oil. As soon as money is involved co2 reductions are pushed away and I can give a ton of other examples for this. Every small reduction in one sector is nullified or worse by increases in other sectors. The 1.5 degree max for rise in temperature will prove to be completely unachievable , oil production and consumption is still rising every year. The harsh reality is that we wont be in time,that much is clear to me. World co2 emissions will probably keep rising till the end of this century and maybe even the next. Since reduction of emissions has proven to be impossible to achieve (because money is a bigger drive) maybe we should start switching priority from trying to prevent,to trying to prepare for what inevitably will come. Stop building in areas that are potentially threatened by rise in sea levels for example,even though they are often the most attractive areas.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3261 Posts
May 19 2017 00:47 GMT
#151660
On May 19 2017 09:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:44 Nyxisto wrote:
Also Protoss are an alien race and well we all know Cruz true origins

Cruz is a Dark Templar though. Zealots are too cool for him. McCain is a dragoon.

Among the Protoss everybody hates the dark templar. On the other hand Cruz seems like the pro-Khala type
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
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