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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 00:48 GMT
#151661
On May 19 2017 09:42 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

Who was that asshole cerebrate from the original starcraft campaign? Zasz or something?

Flynn is Zasz in my book.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 00:50:34
May 19 2017 00:49 GMT
#151662
On May 19 2017 09:48 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:42 ChristianS wrote:
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

Who was that asshole cerebrate from the original starcraft campaign? Zasz or something?

Flynn is Zasz in my book.


I feel like Alexei Stukov is more Flynn.

edit: obviously not because of the eastern sounding name.
On track to MA1950A.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1409 Posts
May 19 2017 00:50 GMT
#151663
Wonder what trump will chance to the press briefings now that spencer will stop making a daily appearance. I kinda hope he cuts them down to the bare minimum but he might also just replace spencer,at least one candidate has been rumored in the media (a women,i don't know her name exactly).
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 00:51 GMT
#151664
On May 19 2017 09:50 pmh wrote:
Wonder what trump will chance to the press briefings now that spencer will stop making a daily appearance. I kinda hope he cuts them down to the bare minimum but he might also just replace spencer,at least one candidate has been rumored in the media (a women,i don't know her name exactly).

Would amuse me if it were Katrina Pierson.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-19 01:06:51
May 19 2017 00:59 GMT
#151665
On May 19 2017 09:30 Uldridge wrote:
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On May 19 2017 09:21 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 19 2017 08:55 Tachion wrote:
This thread would be better if more people were able to parallel political happenings to Starcraft.


Liberal = terran
Conservative = zerg
Leftist = protoss

Easy.

How are Zerg conservative? They operate on a hive. The individual means nothing. This is communism in its purest form!


Conservative because they're the obviously evil side, but the liberals would rather continue to have them as the opposition than an actual leftist party, matches how TvZ is viewed as a better matchup than TvP

Also youtube rightwingers operate on a hivemind, you'd have to see them swarm on a video whenever Sargon of Akkad tells them that they should hate it.

Communists are the Tal'Darim.
No will to live, no wish to die
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5050 Posts
May 19 2017 01:12 GMT
#151666
Sargon of Akkad was fine with his content. Until Brexit happened.
Taxes are for Terrans
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 19 2017 01:17 GMT
#151667
At a Senate hearing Thursday, Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, accused Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin of failing to answer his questions about President Trump's business ties to people who might be violating money laundering and other U.S. laws.

Mnuchin responded by suggesting Brown "just send me a note on what you are looking for."

Brown pointed out that he had already sent a two-page letter.

The Senate Banking Committee hearing provided the kind of sharp exchange that underscores the gap between what Democrats in Congress want to know about Trump's business dealings, and what Trump administration officials appear ready to provide.

Here's the back-and-forth between Brown and Mnuchin:

"I haven't received an answer that I asked for — about potential conflicts of interest and ownership in the [Trump] administration," Brown said, referring to a March 2 letter he wrote to Treasury.

The letter requested a "comprehensive list" of the Trump family's "investors, business partners, politically exposed persons and related actors."

Such a list is needed to reveal whether Trump's associates and investors have been in compliance with laws related to bank secrecy, sanctions, money laundering and other regulations, Brown said.

"Would you commit to us to get a complete list of Trump business associates and financial ties?" Brown demanded. "People want to know about those entanglements."

Mnuchin replied by saying he had checked to make sure "my staff had fully responded to all the inquiries from you and the committee, and I believe we have." He pointed to a March 31 letter that Treasury had sent to Brown.

That brief letter contained no list of Trump associates. Instead, the two-paragraph response said only that Treasury officials would "work with agency personnel to address and mitigate potential conflicts if and when they arise."

Mnuchin then suggested Brown send a note about what he wants, and "we will review internally whether it's appropriate to come from us or somewhere else."

Brown again said that he already had asked his question and, "it was not answered."

He added that he would write to Treasury again requesting a "complete list" of Trump associates because "people in this country are troubled by the president's business connections" who might be involved in crimes.

Mnuchin replied by saying, "I can assure you that if there were any cases that involved the president or any members of his family, that they would be treated very seriously."


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 19 2017 01:18 GMT
#151668
On May 19 2017 09:46 pmh wrote:
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On May 19 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 08:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 19 2017 08:07 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:47 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:35 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:21 Danglars wrote:
On May 19 2017 07:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Calling it right now if Trump pulls the US out of the Agreement Europe, and Asia will slap tariffs on to certain US goods.

The Paris Agreement on global warming is “irreversible and non-negotiable”, the European Union has said in a blunt warning to climate science denier Donald Trump.

The EU and 79 developing countries in Africa, the Pacific and Caribbean issued a statement in which they reaffirmed their commitment to the landmark deal and called for others to do the same.

The Trump administration is currently considering whether to withdraw from the agreement, which committed the world to keeping global warming to as close to 1.5 degrees Celsius as possible.

The US President has laughably described climate change as a hoax perpetrated by China, a suggestion one of his advisers later described as an “exaggeration”.

Without specifically mentioning Mr Trump, Miguel Arias Cañete, the European Commissioner for climate action and energy, said: “Today more than ever, Europe stands by its long-term partners most vulnerable to climate change.

“We, developed and developing countries together, will defend the Paris Agreement.

“We are all in, and our joint commitment to this agreement today is as in Paris: irreversible and non-negotiable.”

And Patrick Gomes, Secretary-General of the African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States (ACP), said: “The longstanding, ongoing cooperation between the ACP group and the EU shows we are serious about addressing the impacts of climate change.

“Implementing the Paris Agreement is not only about ensuring the very survival of the 79 ACP countries, but also about building sustainable, resilient and prosperous economies and societies worldwide.”

They made the call at a United Nation’s climate change conference taking place in Bonn, Germany, ahead of forthcoming meetings of the G7 and G20 groups of world leaders.

The EU announced it would provide 800 million euros (about £680m) of support to ACP countries with about half to be used to address climate change.

The Paris Agreement contained pledges and aspirations but work is still being done to develop actual action that this achieve the goals.

The Trump administration is believed to be split over whether to withdraw the US as a signatory to the Paris Agreement.

Some, like Defence Secretary James Mattis are believed to recognise the dangers posed by climate change – something that has been taken seriously by the Pentagon for years, given the threats to global security.

Others are thought to be in favour of staying in so that the US simply has a “seat at the table” during future talks and to avoid paying a diplomatic cost of withdrawing from a major international agreement.

When the US and China jointly ratified the deal, Barack Obama suggested it could become regarded as the moment humanity finally decided to save itself.


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All the players you cite are too interested in their own economic impact from customers to products to lift a finger. The worst he'll get is a few very strongly worded condemnations and some threats.


Isn't this perspective ignoring the fact that lots of countries have participated in sanctions against various countries, despite the economic impact of doing so? Its not like we only apply economic sanctions in cases where we don't care.

I have yet to see sanctions of any meaningful kind enacted on the basis of carbon output. Humanitarian abuses and as a tool in diplomacy short of going to war, for sure.


Other countries, who see global warming as an enormously bad, terrible thing, would be more likely to see carbon output as a bigger deal than you do, right? You gotta keep in mind that many governments are operating under the assumption that global warming will be very damaging if not reduced as much as possible.

But actually doing something about it and letting voters know they will have to suffer ... this has been hard enough globally to do with ones own citizens, let alone try to raise sanctions for others. When I heard StealthBlue mention Asia, I chuckled to think of India and China pressing the USA to reduce our carbon dioxide emissions. Physician, heal thyself.

China takes pollution and carbon dioxide emission very seriously.

India's CO2 emission is like 1/4 of the US with 5x the population.

Sorry, I hardly know if you speak in jest.

India's on a good uptick ... 2015's growth canceled out all China & USA's cuts according to EU sources.


co2 reduction seems to be a completely lost cause unfortunately. No one is doing anything significant,it is filled with hypocracy and double standards in every country. Europe is no different then usa in this but Europe acts like they are much better,well they are not. Norway for example filled their own country with green energy and electric vehicles,its a drop in the ocean compared to the emissions of their exported oil. As soon as money is involved co2 reductions are pushed away and I can give a ton of other examples for this. Every small reduction in one sector is nullified or worse by increases in other sectors. The 1.5 degree max for rise in temperature will prove to be completely unachievable , oil production and consumption is still rising every year. The harsh reality is that we wont be in time,that much is clear to me. World co2 emissions will probably keep rising till the end of this century and maybe even the next. Since reduction of emissions has proven to be impossible to achieve (because money is a bigger drive) maybe we should start switching priority from trying to prevent,to trying to prepare for what inevitably will come. Stop building in areas that are potentially threatened by rise in sea levels for example,even though they are often the most attractive areas.

I'm with you on expectations. Hypocrisy, double standards, and a rise in emissions until the end of the century. I should start writing down estimates of sea level rise for 2050 now for comparison. Anybody got some lowball-ish ones they want to put $100 on?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 19 2017 01:19 GMT
#151669
In my experience Youtube right-wingers are a little too conspiratorial. While I sympathize with their overarching view of a government that no longer serves the interests of the people and a social liberalism that has often gone too far into the realm of absurdity, I can't get on board with the fact that they see everything as a plot against them and are too often willing to align with just about any pond scum that echoes their views. In my eyes they should not have tried to view Trump as anything more virtuous than he actually is. For fucks sake the dude is famous for being an asshole well before he was running for president.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 19 2017 01:20 GMT
#151670
On May 19 2017 09:41 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:40 ChristianS wrote:
I thought somebody might say Kellyanne, but yeah, Ivanka will probably destroy us all when she wins in 2024 and destroys everyone


Kellyanne would be Zagara in my book. Roughly.

Now, more importantly: Spicey?

dude, Spicey is obviously donny vermillion.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 19 2017 01:34 GMT
#151671
On May 19 2017 09:29 Plansix wrote:


The state department is totally on this folks. We had a foreign leader tell his people to assault protesters on US soil. And our president invited him.

Man, and people said we looked weak under Obama. You don't get weaker than this.

I wonder how this fits into America First. Surely Trump would be horrified by Americans getting beat up by foreigners.

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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 19 2017 01:35 GMT
#151672
On May 19 2017 10:19 LegalLord wrote:
In my experience Youtube right-wingers are a little too conspiratorial. While I sympathize with their overarching view of a government that no longer serves the interests of the people and a social liberalism that has often gone too far into the realm of absurdity, I can't get on board with the fact that they see everything as a plot against them and are too often willing to align with just about any pond scum that echoes their views. In my eyes they should not have tried to view Trump as anything more virtuous than he actually is. For fucks sake the dude is famous for being an asshole well before he was running for president.


From my experience hard core YouTube right wingers are also flat earth conspiracists. I mean flat earth? Lol...
Life?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 19 2017 01:37 GMT
#151673
On May 19 2017 10:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 09:29 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/865310629934112768

The state department is totally on this folks. We had a foreign leader tell his people to assault protesters on US soil. And our president invited him.

Man, and people said we looked weak under Obama. You don't get weaker than this.

I wonder how this fits into America First. Surely Trump would be horrified by Americans getting beat up by foreigners.



Hopefully gets his Russian buds to beat the shit out of Erdogan, but I highly doubt it. It seems like he's bullied by all other politicians...
Life?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35170 Posts
May 19 2017 01:53 GMT
#151674
On May 19 2017 10:35 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 10:19 LegalLord wrote:
In my experience Youtube right-wingers are a little too conspiratorial. While I sympathize with their overarching view of a government that no longer serves the interests of the people and a social liberalism that has often gone too far into the realm of absurdity, I can't get on board with the fact that they see everything as a plot against them and are too often willing to align with just about any pond scum that echoes their views. In my eyes they should not have tried to view Trump as anything more virtuous than he actually is. For fucks sake the dude is famous for being an asshole well before he was running for president.


From my experience hard core YouTube right wingers are also flat earth conspiracists. I mean flat earth? Lol...

They have members around the globe!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 19 2017 02:00 GMT
#151675
So what was given in return?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 19 2017 02:04 GMT
#151676
I must have missed it when Malia Obama was out there getting sweet arms deal reductions for South Korea.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
May 19 2017 02:06 GMT
#151677
Does this mean he has to register as a Foreign agent?
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35170 Posts
May 19 2017 02:12 GMT
#151678
On May 19 2017 11:04 Plansix wrote:
I must have missed it when Malia Obama was out there getting sweet arms deal reductions for South Korea.

Would have been her first boyfriend doing it.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 19 2017 02:12 GMT
#151679
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 19 2017 02:13 GMT
#151680
Gorsuch may well be the only redeeming factor of this administration for thinking conservatives. But it's still a net negative, because on the rest they got conned.
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