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On March 05 2017 17:38 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2017 16:52 LegalLord wrote:
Times like this I wonder what a Clinton presidency would have been like. You wouldn't be typing this post because there would be a nuclear war going on. If Obama did wiretap Trump then it should be the Democrats crucifying him, not the Trump administration. Though I'm not surprised seeing how the NSA acted during his regime. For the record Nixon should have gone to jail too.
Believing Trump's word that Obama wiretapped him is not exactly a good look.
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On March 05 2017 23:01 Gahlo wrote:Yet another nationalistic shooting by somebody who doesn't even know what they're shooting at. Show nested quote + Police in a Seattle suburb are investigating a possible hate crime after a masked gunman shot a Sikh man after telling him to get out of the country, Kent's police chief said.
The victim, 39, suffered a non-life threatening injury. He was working on his vehicle in his driveway at around 8 p.m. local time (11 p.m. ET) Friday when he was confronted by a man and shot, Police Chief Ken Thomas said.
"Some comments were made to the effect of 'get out of our country, go back to where you're from,' and our victim was then shot," Thomas said Saturday at a news conference.
The victim described the gunman to police as a white male, around six feet tall and with a medium build. He was wearing dark clothing and was some sort of mask covered the bottom part of his face, Thomas said.
Thomas said police are investigating the shooting as a possible hate crime, and the FBI has been contacted. He said investigators believe the gunman approached on foot. The victim said he didn't know the shooter and had never seen him before, Thomas said.
The shooting in Kent comes a little more than a week after a gunman in Olathe, Kansas, allegedly told two men born in India to "get out of my country" before opening fire, killing one man and wounding two others.
Authorities have said they believe Adam Purinton, 51, fatally shot Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32, and wounded Alok Madasani, 32, because of their ethnicity. Ian Grillot, 24, was injured while trying to protect the men, police and witnesses said.
Purinton was arrested and is jailed in lieu of $2 million bond. The FBI is investigating the deadly shooting as a hate crime. NBC
Poor lone wolf, someone get him some mental help. Thoughts and prayers.
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On March 05 2017 16:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Remember when the weekend was supposed to be boring time for politics:
I am proud to say Roger Stone blocked me on Twitter.
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On March 05 2017 23:56 Doodsmack wrote:I am proud to say Roger Stone blocked me on Twitter.
Is that this 64 year old man?
Why does he talk like the stereotypical "14 year old kid on the internet"?
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On March 06 2017 00:05 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2017 23:56 Doodsmack wrote:I am proud to say Roger Stone blocked me on Twitter. Is that this 64 year old man? Why does he talk like the stereotypical "14 year old kid on the internet"?
Let's just say political discourse in the US is going through a rough patch
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On March 05 2017 22:44 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2017 21:16 Luolis wrote:On March 05 2017 17:38 zeo wrote:On March 05 2017 16:52 LegalLord wrote:
Times like this I wonder what a Clinton presidency would have been like. You wouldn't be typing this post because there would be a nuclear war going on. . What the fuck did i just read. Typical zeo's post.
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Who is Roger Stone, and is there any reason to care about him saying stuff?
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On March 06 2017 00:38 LegalLord wrote:
Who is Roger Stone, and is there any reason to care about him saying stuff?
A campaign adviser to the new POTUS who bragged at one point having a "back channel" to wikileaks.
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He seems to have been very aware of the leaks Assange got from Russia, before those were released, although there is apparently no direct evidence:
He said that it would 'soon' be 'Podesta's time in the barrel', shortly before the website rolled out the controversial emails.
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It's hard not to believe the Trump campaign had nothing to do with the leaks when an adviser bragged about his connection to the leaker and apparently knew who would be leaked before it happened. His meltdown on twitter is quite funny though. Wonderful people, those colleagues of Trump, I feel great knowing they are advising him.
Now, this is no proof, so let's wait and see what the investigation brings (and eat popcorn while watching Trump and his angsty teen-like advisors shitpost twitter with insult and all caps).
I start to think (i didn't until this week) that the chances Trump finishes his mandate are really, really slim. The guy is a joke, it's becoming clearer every day and at one point the GOP will have to get rid of him. It's been two months and it's already one of the biggest clownfests in american history.
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I find it hard to believe that the Trumplings would have been given an "in" on the leaks any more than maybe a week or two in advance - if for no other reason than that they seem like the kinds of blabbermouthes that no sane intelligence agency would want to keep in the know, lest they compromise the intended outcome.
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On March 06 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the Trumplings would have been given an "in" on the leaks any more than maybe a week or two in advance - if for no other reason than that they seem like the kinds of blabbermouthes that no sane intelligence agency would want to keep in the know, lest they compromise the intended outcome.
Well that we don't know, maybe the investigation will tell. Or not. How wikileak operates is quite a mystery. All the decisions seem to be taken by one man, and Assange doesn't strikes me as a stable guy in full control of what he is doing.
As for trumplings, then again and as you say, it's hard to apply the rules and assumption of political saviness to 60 years old people who rage tweet insults like angry teenagers.
I don't want to do the same conspiracy crap that was given to Clinton (guilty until proven innocent), but that comment of Podesta seems a bit too lucky to be true if he really didn't know, and it's hard to see what else he could have been talking about.
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I find it interesting that Clapper is denying that there was a FISA wiretap granted, but Obama's people are hedging their answers so much as to imply that there was one.
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On March 06 2017 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
I find it interesting that Clapper is denying that there was a FISA wiretap granted, but Obama's people are hedging their answers so much as to imply that there was one.
They are likely talking about different things since Trump is being so vague (because he doesn't know himself what he is angry about).
Clapper probably denies there was a wiretap for Trump himself while Obama's people talk about the server
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Much as I am not enamored with Trump, at this point I might wonder whether or not his predecessor specifically set him up to fail by creating an executive underclass that would necessarily be hostile towards him.
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Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton said Sunday that he has not seen evidence that the Obama administration wiretapped Donald Trump or Trump Tower during the campaign.
"I've seen no evidence of the allegations we've seen in the media. Whether that's a potential application or denial of the application, or a submission of the application or surveillance," Cotton said on "Fox News Sunday." "It doesn't mean that none of these things have happened, just means I haven't seen them yet. I would not want to speculate about media reports based on anonymous sources.
"I would prefer to deal with facts," said the first-term Republican, a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence.
Host Chris Wallace asked Cotton whether the committee will also investigate whether the "Obama administration abused its executive role," an allegation from the Trump administration.
"We are going to review allegations of any kind of improper contacts between Russian officials and campaign officials or other American citizens. I'm sure that we will be reviewing any allegations such as this," Cotton said.
On Saturday morning, President Donald Trump tweeted claims that former President Barack Obama wiretapped phones in Trump Tower. The president provided no evidence, nor did he provide the source of the information.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer released a statement Sunday saying that Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity in the 2016 election, "congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016."
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On March 06 2017 03:04 LegalLord wrote:
Much as I am not enamored with Trump, at this point I might wonder whether or not his predecessor specifically set him up to fail by creating an executive underclass that would necessarily be hostile towards him.
He did that entirely himself but repeatedly attacking the IC and by making his right hand man someone who vowed to destroy the government.
Obama didn't need to create a hostile underclass, Trumps own actions did that much better then Obama ever could.
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On March 06 2017 02:58 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2017 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
I find it interesting that Clapper is denying that there was a FISA wiretap granted, but Obama's people are hedging their answers so much as to imply that there was one. They are likely talking about different things since Trump is being so vague (because he doesn't know himself what he is angry about). Clapper probably denies there was a wiretap for Trump himself while Obama's people talk about the server
There are really two things that I want to know. First, I want to see what is in the FISA affidavit. This is particularly interesting given that the original application was apparently denied. Second, I want to know the extent to which FISA-acquired info was leaked. These are the two areas where the Obama administration could get in trouble. Of course, it could also be that the FISA affidavit verifies Trump-Russian collusion, but I doubt it given all of the statements from various people saying that there is no evidence of such a link.
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On March 06 2017 03:04 LegalLord wrote:
Much as I am not enamored with Trump, at this point I might wonder whether or not his predecessor specifically set him up to fail by creating an executive underclass that would necessarily be hostile towards him.
It would be fitting of the boogeyman to do such a thing.
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Trump is doing a terrible job, that is all
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Tens of thousands of immigrants detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were forced to work for $1 day, or for nothing at all — a violation of federal anti-slavery laws — a lawsuit claims.
The lawsuit, filed in 2014 against one of the largest private prison companies in the country, reached class-action status this week after a federal judge’s ruling. That means the case could involve as many as 60,000 immigrants who have been detained.
It’s the first time a class-action lawsuit accusing a private U.S. prison company of forced labor has been allowed to move forward.
“That’s obviously a big deal; it’s recognizing the possibility that a government contractor could be engaging in forced labor,” said Nina DiSalvo, executive director of Towards Justice, a Colorado-based nonprofit group that represents low-wage workers, including undocumented immigrants. “Certification of the class is perhaps the only mechanism by which these vulnerable individuals who were dispersed across the country and across the world would ever be able to vindicate their rights.”
At the heart of the dispute is the Denver Contract Detention Facility, a 1,500-bed center in Aurora, Colo., owned and operated by GEO Group under a contract with ICE. The Florida-based corporation runs facilities to house immigrants who are awaiting their turn in court.
The lawsuit, filed against GEO Group on behalf of nine immigrants, initially sought more than $5 million in damages. Attorneys expect the damages to grow substantially given the case’s new class-action status.
The class-action ruling by U.S. District Judge John Kane means that as many as 60,000 current and former detainees at the detention facility in Aurora are now part of the lawsuit without having to actively join as plaintiffs, said Andrew Free, one of the plaintiffs’ attorneys
The lead plaintiff in the case is a permanent resident of the U.S., and attorneys expect “a significant portion of the class will fit that bill,” Free said.
[In policy review, Homeland Security panel sends mixed message about future of private immigrant detention]
The original nine plaintiffs claim that detainees at the ICE facility are forced to work without pay — and that those who refuse to do so are threatened with solitary confinement.
Specifically, the lawsuit claims, six detainees are selected at random every day and are forced to clean the facility’s housing units. The lawsuit claims that the practice violates the federal Trafficking Victims Protection Act, which prohibits modern-day slavery.
“Forced labor is a particular violation of the statute that we’ve alleged,” Free said. “Whether you’re calling it forced labor or slavery, the practical reality for the plaintiffs is much the same. You’re being compelled to work against your will under the threat of force or use of force.”
GEO Group also is accused of violating Colorado’s minimum wage laws by paying detainees $1 day instead of the state’s minimum wage of about $9 an hour. The company “unjustly enriched” itself through the cheap labor of detainees, the lawsuit says.
None of the original nine plaintiffs are still detained at the facility, DiSalvo said.
The class-action ruling by Kane, a senior judge in the U.S. District Court in Colorado, came at a critical time, DiSalvo said, noting President Trump’s pledge to deport 2 million to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Advocates say private prison companies that have government contracts stand to benefit significantly from the president’s hard-line policy of detaining and deporting a massive number of immigrants
“That means you need to round up and detain more people in order to determine whether they have the rights to stay in this country before you deport them,” DiSalvo said. “More people could be moving through, not just in the Aurora facility. More people could be subjected to GEO’s forced labor policy.”
Notably, the stocks of the two biggest private prison operators, Geo Group and CoreCivic (formerly known as Corrections Corporation of America), have surged since Trump’s election. The companies donated a total of $500,000 to Trump’s inaugural festivities, USA Today reported. Since Trump took office, his administration has reversed the Obama administration’s policy to end the country’s reliance on private prisons.
GEO Group has strongly denied the lawsuit’s allegations and argued in court records that pay of $1 a day does not violate any laws.
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On March 06 2017 03:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2017 02:58 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2017 02:55 xDaunt wrote:
I find it interesting that Clapper is denying that there was a FISA wiretap granted, but Obama's people are hedging their answers so much as to imply that there was one. They are likely talking about different things since Trump is being so vague (because he doesn't know himself what he is angry about). Clapper probably denies there was a wiretap for Trump himself while Obama's people talk about the server There are really two things that I want to know. First, I want to see what is in the FISA affidavit. This is particularly interesting given that the original application was apparently denied. Second, I want to know the extent to which FISA-acquired info was leaked. These are the two areas where the Obama administration could get in trouble. Of course, it could also be that the FISA affidavit verifies Trump-Russian collusion, but I doubt it given all of the statements from various people saying that there is no evidence of such a link.
Well you should ask Trump since it seems that as President he has access to de-classify the FISA.
Since he instead did not blow the lid of the biggest corruption case of the decade and buried Obama is disgrace, but rather tweeted about the Apprentice ratings I'm going to remain somewhat sceptical of his 'proof'.
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