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On February 16 2017 09:26 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think the "alt-radical left" needs much help annihilating those people, with the exception of Trump's son and maybe this Gorka person all those folks are hell-bent on eliminating at least another listed person.
I also have no idea what the "alt-radical left" is (is it different from the "regressive left"?) nor how exactly it is synonymous with "the swamp." Worth a laugh indeed.
I do find it supremely humorous that "alt_" is now being used as a slur...by an ally of the alt-right...
Alternative Radicals?
Is that like the kids who rebel against their hippy parents by becoming lawyers?
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Ctrl-left is a much better slur.
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Feels like the standard Eichenwald mix of delusion of self-importance and editorializing.
I wonder if this is another one he's going to post 50+ times on Twitter to demonstrate his importance. I'll go check.
Edit: ye
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But he has sources, and it's coming from US Allies... lol
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[O]ut of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets.
Since NSA provides something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in our government, what’s being kept from the White House may be very significant indeed. However, such concerns are widely shared across the IC, and NSA doesn’t appear to be the only agency withholding intelligence from the administration out of security fears.
What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.
Full article is behind a paywall, gist is that the intelligence community is withholding info from Trump due to fears about his trustworthiness.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/spies-keep-intelligence-from-donald-trump-1487209351
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I heard that story about 3-4 days ago. Everything points to a 4 year term that is somewhere between ineffective and disastrous.
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schindler wrote about it as an informed rumor a few days ago. this is a public leak. not much of a difference but there is something
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On February 16 2017 11:53 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +[O]ut of worries about the White House’s ability to keep secrets, some of our spy agencies have begun withholding intelligence from the Oval Office. Why risk your most sensitive information if the president may ignore it anyway? A senior National Security Agency official explained that NSA was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, in an unprecedented move. For decades, NSA has prepared special reports for the president’s eyes only, containing enormously sensitive intelligence. In the last three weeks, however, NSA has ceased doing this, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep their best SIGINT secrets.
Since NSA provides something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in our government, what’s being kept from the White House may be very significant indeed. However, such concerns are widely shared across the IC, and NSA doesn’t appear to be the only agency withholding intelligence from the administration out of security fears.
What’s going on was explained lucidly by a senior Pentagon intelligence official, who stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM,” meaning the White House Situation Room, the 5,500 square-foot conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings. “There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in wry frustration.
Full article is behind a paywall, gist is that the intelligence community is withholding info from Trump due to fears about his trustworthiness. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/spies-keep-intelligence-from-donald-trump-1487209351
View source, and you can read the article for free. Your welcome.
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I hear some goings on about Trump wanting to build a coalition to fight against Iran.
How he plans to reconcile his many aggressive yet contradictory FP positions is an open question.
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Probably doesn't plan to reconcile them at all. The volatility and lack of being able to predict Trump is a huge problem on the international stage. The US is supposed to be a reliable force on the world stage.
To be fair that was somewhat of a problem of Obama's government too, red lines and all of that. But at least there was some principled ideology behind Obama's policies.
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So can we assume that by the end of Trump's term if there is no leak about alien contact, that a lot of people (and some pretty credible), are just big ol fat liars whether intentional on their part or not. Or, is it more likely that if such an occurrence did happen that, that information would be even more sensitive than any human v human that we have. It would be a hoot if (for sake of argument) it was leaked by a Trump administration on twitter lmao.
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Oh by the way.
I get the feeling that we're making another bubble right now.
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the weaker trump gets and the stronger gop reps get, the less chance of some of the volatility people worry about.
but stock is not everything. promise to deregulate banking and scrap the epa, good for stock but bad for americans.
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Trump's strength and the strength of GOP legislators are not inversely proportional, not even close (though precisely how they interact with one another is naturally an item in flux). To suggest otherwise is to gloss over what politics is all about 
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Trump has managed to make multiple political crises and we haven't even gotten to policy yet. I don't think there's any chance of less volatility.
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On February 16 2017 21:30 farvacola wrote:Trump's strength and the strength of GOP legislators are not inversely proportional, not even close (though precisely how they interact with one another is naturally an item in flux). To suggest otherwise is to gloss over what politics is all about
i've not suggested a causal link between these movements. just that when trump is bogged down and gop republicans are seen as strong, there is less chance of tariffs and whatnot disruption in the future.
and by volatility i obviously mean economic volatility. trump's various scandals are a disaster for democracy, but the stockmarket doesn't care about that stuff.
if we want to go more in depth about it the fed, repatriation as a signal of coming tax reform, relation with chyna etc are all in there to varying degrees. repatriation = more m&a and more share buybacks, stuff that will hard raise stock prices
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On February 16 2017 14:28 Wegandi wrote:
So can we assume that by the end of Trump's term if there is no leak about alien contact, that a lot of people (and some pretty credible), are just big ol fat liars whether intentional on their part or not. Or, is it more likely that if such an occurrence did happen that, that information would be even more sensitive than any human v human that we have. It would be a hoot if (for sake of argument) it was leaked by a Trump administration on twitter lmao.
to suggest seniors in the IC would lie about something so monumental as this is delusional. but hey, expected?
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On February 16 2017 22:34 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2017 14:28 Wegandi wrote:
So can we assume that by the end of Trump's term if there is no leak about alien contact, that a lot of people (and some pretty credible), are just big ol fat liars whether intentional on their part or not. Or, is it more likely that if such an occurrence did happen that, that information would be even more sensitive than any human v human that we have. It would be a hoot if (for sake of argument) it was leaked by a Trump administration on twitter lmao. to suggest seniors in the IC would lie about something so monumental as this is delusional. but hey, expected?
The question I've never been able to answer regarding this is what kind of impact it would actually have on society. There must be some very interesting wargame'ish scenarios that high ups have went through regarding a peaceful alien race making contact and how to manage it socially.
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