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On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters..
being shit is different from being a shitty campaigner.
as a person, and as a president, she'd be fine. and she's an acceptable enoug hperson, and decently competent.
but she's a shitty campaigner.
sadly many people aren't good at differentiating the two properly, so they vote for people who campaign well, rather than for people who would be good at the underlying job.
also, most people's votes are pretty poorly thought out, as demonstrated in the literature.
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On February 11 2017 10:40 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. Honestly, I think it's pretty much the first time in his life where he tells people to do something, other people shut him down, and there's hardly anything he can do about it.
This reminds me of Lex Luthor (in Justice League TAS): "do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be president?"
The comparisons here are many.
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On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:
It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years.
A nice preview of the republican's campaign strategy in four years, somehow the republicans electing Trump is all the democrats fault >.>
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On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters..
She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts.
I'm expecting
Trump said he'd steal the jobs your grandfathers worked back from the Chinese so you could have them. Well, have you got all your jobs back? No? That's because Trump doesn't know the first thing about crime. He hasn't even appointed a special team to steal those jobs back. Now here alongside me is Daniel Ocean from that documentary where he robbed that casino. If I become President he'll be in charge of getting you those jobs. If he can take on Vegas he can take on China.
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On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts.
Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach.
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The methods by which people try to rationalize a loss to the pussy grabber are interesting, to say the least. There is always a vague "she made mistakes and missteps" but to any specific mistakes there is merely a rationalization. Almost as if to say "HRC had no choice but to lose this election."
And to think, this is the person who was supposed to be super electable.
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On February 11 2017 10:46 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:40 Amui wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. Honestly, I think it's pretty much the first time in his life where he tells people to do something, other people shut him down, and there's hardly anything he can do about it. This reminds me of Lex Luthor (in Justice League TAS): "do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be president?" The comparisons here are many.
The thing is he could get away with a lot of his eccentric shit whilst running his company, on reality TV or going to Wrestlemania. He's been like this for ages, a wealthy, barely literate heir with an inferiority complex, surrounded by 'yes' men. It was all fine as a sideshow, but now he's in a crucial public position where everything he says is picked apart. The sheer amount of criticism has forced him to further disassociate from reality in order to preserve his ego.
On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country.
This is spot on.
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On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach.
there's a difference between things that can be accomplished, and them having the desired effect once accomplished.
everyone knows it's possible to build a wall, the question is whether it's a useful and owrthwhile expenditure.
mostly I think trump misestimates the degree to which people have already thought through these problems, and thinks the stuff he's proposing will have a huge and positive effect. as always that's a personal impression that carries a substantial margin of error.
reminds me of that trump EO on crime. of coruse not having read many eo's myself maybe that's just how EOs are written.
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On February 11 2017 10:58 LegalLord wrote:
The methods by which people try to rationalize a loss to the pussy grabber are interesting, to say the least. There is always a vague "she made mistakes and missteps" but to any specific mistakes there is merely a rationalization. Almost as if to say "HRC had no choice but to lose this election."
And to think, this is the person who was supposed to be super electable.
honestly, this is a meme at this point. Never stop.
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On February 11 2017 11:02 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:58 LegalLord wrote:
The methods by which people try to rationalize a loss to the pussy grabber are interesting, to say the least. There is always a vague "she made mistakes and missteps" but to any specific mistakes there is merely a rationalization. Almost as if to say "HRC had no choice but to lose this election."
And to think, this is the person who was supposed to be super electable. honestly, this is a meme at this point. Never stop.
It's a promise I made to Kwark: Trump wins, I mock
HRC's electability forever.
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On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters..
How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than a very small number of people's preference for sexual assault and being an asshole over actually treating people with respect?
Keep in mind she won the popular vote..
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On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach.
Remember all those times we said he was a con man and what high on his own supply of bullshit? He shamelessly told people what they wanted to hear and it didn't matter if he could do it or not.
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On February 11 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach. Remember all those times we said he was a con man and what high on his own supply of bullshit? He shamelessly told people what they wanted to hear and it didn't matter if he could do it or not.
But he is building a wall, and he is dropping taxes, and he is trying to ban people from entering the country... Sure he might not keep every promise, but that's a great start (if you liked his promises).
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On February 11 2017 11:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than a very small number of people's preference for sexual assault and being an asshole over actually treating people with respect? Keep in mind she won the popular vote..
Nope, she lost the very electorate that turned out for Obama in the critical states, she was shit, not gonna change my mind. You can delude yourself into thinking America and it's electorate is shit instead, but that will only translate to a free win in 2020 so go ahead, keep ignoring the white factory worker! He's white so he doesn't matter!
Maybe the dems will find a candidate as electable as HRC in 2020.
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On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach.
It's hard to tell with Trump because the man is very clearly a lunatic. I mean you'd think he must know that jobs have been lost to automation, logically. There can't be an educated man in America who doesn't know that. So with that in mind you'd think if he wanted to offer to restore jobs it'd be a classic Luddite pitch. Break the looms, restore the jobs of the weavers etc. So I want to say that he knew that he was lying about restoring those industries. But it's so hard to tell with him because he's so very delusional.
It's like when he was talking about the START treaties under Reagan and saying that they were terrible and he could have negotiated much better ones. It can be proved that he has no knowledge on the subject and his clear failings at international diplomacy are demonstrated daily. But even when there is no benefit to him and the subject isn't even relevant to him he has to insert himself into the narrative, criticize something and then say he could have done it better. He wasn't even a politician back then, he just really wanted the world to know that he thinks he could make a better deal.
TLDR: I have absolutely no clue what Trump thinks.
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On February 11 2017 11:13 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach. Remember all those times we said he was a con man and what high on his own supply of bullshit? He shamelessly told people what they wanted to hear and it didn't matter if he could do it or not. But he is building a wall, and he is dropping taxes, and he is trying to ban people from entering the country... Sure he might not keep every promise, but that's a great start (if you liked his promises).
Except the second half to his "Build a wall" promise is "and Mexico will pay for it" which we know is false- the taxpayers are paying for it. His supporters don't care about the misses; they only count the hits (or pretend that certain things are hits when they're not). Similarly, he's banning the wrong people from entering the country! He's banning innocent people, and people with the proper documentation or those who are able and willing to go through the correct processes.
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Building a wall isn't the hard part of that promise, it's getting Mexico to pay for it that was always a load of crap.
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On February 11 2017 11:13 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:On February 11 2017 10:53 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:48 KwarK wrote:On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. She wasn't willing to lie to voters enough unfortunately. Trump was absolutely shameless. If I didn't know enough to see through him I'd vote for him too. His pitch was really good, get everything you want, pay nothing, don't worry about it, everything will be great. It's a shocking indictment of the educational deficit in the country. A lot of politicians have made some pretty out there promises but I feel like normally they don't go too crazy with it because they're worried that they'll look silly when it becomes clear that they were lying. Trump has changed the meta. It'll be fun to see how it shifts. Do you think campaign Trump was just saying things that he knew inside he couldn't accomplish? Or do you think he believed his own lies to the point that it basically became truth to himself? The one place where I knew he lied was the deficit, I know he doesn't really care about increasing the deficit but he had to sell the people. The wall, the ban, the immigration reform, the obamacare, the taxes, are all well within reach. Remember all those times we said he was a con man and what high on his own supply of bullshit? He shamelessly told people what they wanted to hear and it didn't matter if he could do it or not. But he is building a wall, and he is dropping taxes, and he is trying to ban people from entering the country... Sure he might not keep every promise, but that's a great start (if you liked his promises).
he's not dropping taxes yet, that's still under negotiation and primarily the purview of congress.
the other question of course is whether his promises will accomplish what he implies they will (they won't).
a person can keep most of their promises and still be a con-man. part of the point is to con people into thinking what you promise them will be sufficient.
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On February 11 2017 11:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2017 10:39 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:37 zlefin wrote:On February 11 2017 10:30 biology]major wrote:On February 11 2017 10:22 LegalLord wrote:
If I have to be honest, the past three weeks make me think that Trump is every bit as dangerous as his critics suggest. Not much more to say, he is becoming more and more delusional and it's only been three weeks. I don't think it is good for his mental health, he might not be able to handle the bureaucracy. When you work as a business man for 45-50 years and your employees are working with you for a single purpose, and then transitioning to the deceit and dogma infested politics of the capitol, with no experience in the 'game', it might not end well. I think he can make it work because in real life he seems like a really likeable dude, but he is also easily taken advantage of so only time will tell. It's not an exaggeration when I say this the result of HRC being shit, and the dems not having anyone else reasonable to replace her with, so they just were forced to rally behind her. There was no one else in the mainstream mold, besides Joe Biden. I hope he does well though and can keep sane for next 4 years. HRC isn't shit. that's just an inaccuracy endlessly propagated, or more precisely, a result of poor estimation. the dems weren't forced to rally behind her, most of them were pretty happy with her. a few aren't, but most are. the hillary hate is mostly from republicans. it's not an exaggeration so much as an inaccuracy. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than her being absolute shit? Keep in mind she lost a lot of Obama voters.. How is losing 3 blue states that were supposed to be a dem fortress, to a dude who grabs people by the pussy, while spending twice the amount of money, an indication of anything other than a very small number of people's preference for sexual assault and being an asshole over actually treating people with respect? Keep in mind she won the popular vote..
Winning the popular vote means nothing in the us stop bringing it up like it matters.
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My major issue with Trump is that he can win a campaign where outright lying about facts is accepted. This shows that good one-liners beats truth and isn't a promising future trend for anybody. It is kind of the same thing we see with Russia currently where they havn't invaded Ukraine somehow.
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