US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6192

On November 11 2016 12:36 biology]major wrote:
The beauty of this election was behind all of the bullshit rhetoric, trump proved with action what he has always been saying. He gets things done, he wins, no matter what the odds. Under budget, ahead of schedule. I'm sure skeptics will chalk it up to luck or bigotry in the us, but it was a combination of hrc being a awful candidate and the competence of trump.

On November 11 2016 12:46 GoTuNk! wrote:


Trump's leson to the world is that we should courageously combat the left and expose their failed ideas without sugar coating.

If conservatives are right about the importance of virtue, morality, religious faith, stability, character and so on in the individual; if they are right about sexual morality or what came to be termed “family values”; if they are right about the importance of education to inculcate good character and to teach the fundamentals that have defined knowledge in the West for millennia; if they are right about societal norms and public order; if they are right about the centrality of initiative, enterprise, industry, and thrift to a sound economy and a healthy society; if they are right about the soul-sapping effects of paternalistic Big Government and its cannibalization of civil society and religious institutions; if they are right about the necessity of a strong defense and prudent statesmanship in the international sphere—if they are right about the importance of all this to national health and even survival, then they must believe—mustn’t they?—that we are headed off a cliff.

But it’s quite obvious that conservatives don’t believe any such thing, that they feel no such sense of urgency, of an immediate necessity to change course and avoid the cliff....
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Let’s be very blunt here: if you genuinely think things can go on with no fundamental change needed, then you have implicitly admitted that conservatism is wrong. Wrong philosophically, wrong on human nature, wrong on the nature of politics, and wrong in its policy prescriptions. Because, first, few of those prescriptions are in force today. Second, of the ones that are, the left is busy undoing them, often with conservative assistance. And, third, the whole trend of the West is ever-leftward, ever further away from what we all understand as conservatism.

If your answer—Continetti’s, Douthat’s, Salam’s, and so many others’—is for conservatism to keep doing what it’s been doing—another policy journal, another article about welfare reform, another half-day seminar on limited government, another tax credit proposal—even though we’ve been losing ground for at least a century, then you’ve implicitly accepted that your supposed political philosophy doesn’t matter and that civilization will carry on just fine under leftist tenets. Indeed, that leftism is truer than conservatism and superior to it.

On November 11 2016 13:12 plasmidghost wrote:

They don't realize that even if this is literally the only faked story out there, there is now reasonable cause to doubt every other report of hatred that comes out

On November 11 2016 12:33 biology]major wrote:


You'd rather vote for trump over bernie?? There isn't a single Hillary supporter who would do that, but there's plenty of bernouts.

On November 11 2016 13:22 pmh wrote:
All those people worried that trump would not accept defeat and that his supporters would cause mayhem.
Look who is protesting in the streets now lol. Maybe it should not have come as a surprise. They anticipated that trump supporters would protest,because that was what they where going to do if Hillary would loose.

On November 11 2016 13:25 Kickstart wrote:
What do you suggest? A ban on political protests? How American...
Again, it would be more worrying if someone who didn't get the majority of the popular vote won and was followed by no protests.

On November 11 2016 13:00 xDaunt wrote:

For me, this is the biggest allure of the alt-right, despite that I don't entirely agree with it (and I really disagree with some of its elements). They fight, and they fight to win. They don't pull punches. Their advocacy and zeal is as ferocious as what we see from the left. Again, I'm reminded of the Claremont/Publius article that we discussed in September:

On November 11 2016 13:15 xDaunt wrote:

I'm pretty sure that these purported fears of violence from Trump supporters are just one massive, bad case of projection from the left. It's the radical elements of the left that are causing trouble (as usual), not Trump's people.

On November 11 2016 13:28 xDaunt wrote:

No, I'd rather the people on the left just chill with the fearmongering regarding Trump. It's completely unhelpful and counterproductive at this point. Plus, in light of all of these bad acts from the more radical elements of the left, the fearmongering is starting to reek of hypocrisy.

On November 11 2016 13:35 Kickstart wrote:
To be fair, most people protesting are worried about things he said he intended to do. It is hard to argue that they are fear-mongering when they fear statements that he himself made. Faking injury or actively doing harmful things in these protests are of course deplorable behavior.

On November 11 2016 12:42 xDaunt wrote:
The more important point is this: Trump fought to win this election. And by fighting so hard to win it, he rallied a lot of people to his cause. I was tired of all of the hand-wringing pansies that the GOP kept trotting out to fight the democrats and leftist interests. Trump is the first legitimate fighter that the republicans have had since Reagan.

On November 11 2016 13:55 ZeromuS wrote:


I think this is the most fair thing. Their votes werent enough to have others hear that they are afraid of Trump's rhetoric. Hopefully it was just rhetoric.

But just in case it wasn't, just in case all those terrible things and fears he stoked weren't just loud noises to drum up a base of support, these people are letting him and the world know they won't take it sitting down.

I agree that the actual rioting is bad - but thats always bad regardless of who does it. I always believe people have a right to peacefully protest. Most of the people out there are doing this peacefully.

I think if they just kinda sat down and let Trump have his way and push his rhetoric freely then it would be potentially worse. It depends on how long this goes for before I really dislike the protestors.

From the outside, I think its good that they are showing they will be holding the president elect to account for what he has already said. Hopefully if he really did mean all the crazy shit he said, he will have some second thoughts about some of it.