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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 22:34:31
November 08 2016 22:34 GMT
#119821
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 08 2016 22:34 GMT
#119822
On November 09 2016 07:30 NukeD wrote:
In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish)


It depends what you say. You can't say stuff like "exit polls suggest that X will win" before the polls close, but you can say things like " X% of voters think the economy is the number 1 issue".
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5028 Posts
November 08 2016 22:35 GMT
#119823
On November 09 2016 07:33 Wolfstan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 07:31 Introvert wrote:
On November 09 2016 07:30 NukeD wrote:
In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish)


Depends on what you publish. Pretty sure there is no restriction on national exit polls, for instance. But they aren't accurate enough to be worthwhile imo.

I heard Indiana exit polls coming in 27 mins on TYT.


I'm not familiar with all the rules, but it's not like someone will be sent to prison. It's jut bad form. Also, I think IN has poll closing soon.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 08 2016 22:36 GMT
#119824
On November 09 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:
I am not sure it is illegal. It might just be something US News Media does not do.

It's probably one of those things where it would be made explicitly illegal if not for the tacit agreement not to abuse them among the media.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 22:36 GMT
#119825
On November 09 2016 07:32 aQuaSC wrote:
I don't want to engage into the discussion but I'm surprised by the antagonism and how journalists are plainly showing their political stance and preference in the election, language like "Exit Polls 40% of Voters support Border Wall".

Shouldn't there be similar thing about Hillary? Like "x% of the voters think leaking state secrets is cool"?

I always thought that good journalism is about being impartial and about reporting things

That is not how journalism works. They want to present a point of view and what they believe to be relevant to the discussion. They count on other reporters/outlets to present other points of view. As the reader, you are expected to seek out multiple perspectives and make your own decisions based on the credibility of the information you received.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 08 2016 22:36 GMT
#119826
if the state department really handled a lot of critical intelligence work the NSA would have gotten off their asses and made hillary the blackberry she asked for.

it's storm in a teacup, administrative kerfuffle.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 08 2016 22:36 GMT
#119827
How much time after polls close do determine who won?
Question.?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 08 2016 22:37 GMT
#119828
On November 09 2016 07:36 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:
I am not sure it is illegal. It might just be something US News Media does not do.

It's probably one of those things where it would be made explicitly illegal if not for the tacit agreement not to abuse them among the media.


The people from the National Election Pool have made pledges to congress not to make projections based on exit polling before all precincts in each state have closed afaik.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 22:37 GMT
#119829
On November 09 2016 07:36 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:
I am not sure it is illegal. It might just be something US News Media does not do.

It's probably one of those things where it would be made explicitly illegal if not for the tacit agreement not to abuse them among the media.

It also only applies to major news outlets. Some youtube stream getting exit polling from god knows where can dump anything. And there are fake twitter accounts out there reporting on exit polls, pretending to be CNN.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 08 2016 22:37 GMT
#119830
On November 09 2016 07:36 biology]major wrote:
How much time after polls close do determine who won?

Anywhere from 6 hours to a month. Probably by midnight EST
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 22:39:20
November 08 2016 22:38 GMT
#119831
On November 09 2016 07:36 biology]major wrote:
How much time after polls close do determine who won?


Obama took until 10-11 both times I think, so you're looking at around that.

If it's not close for Trump in Florida by 8-9 you can basically assume Hillary has won because it's extremely hard for him to get 270 without Florida.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 22:38 GMT
#119832
On November 09 2016 07:36 biology]major wrote:
How much time after polls close do determine who won?

11:00-11:30 EST was the prediction from NPR this morning. They should have enough information about the battle ground states at that point.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8184 Posts
November 08 2016 22:38 GMT
#119833
On November 09 2016 07:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 07:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Talked to American colleagues in Oslo and they were not amused by the prospect of Trump winning. firsr results in an hour and half, right?

http://www.270towin.com/closing.php (the times are in Eastern Standard)

Thanks.

My prediction for tonight is that Clinton wins Florida and clowntown shitshow 2016 ends right there.

But who knows. Saving post 5000 for the occasion.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 08 2016 22:39 GMT
#119834
On November 09 2016 07:36 biology]major wrote:
How much time after polls close do determine who won?


In 2012 they called the first states around 19:00 and the results by around 23:30.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 08 2016 22:40 GMT
#119835
Americans who had cast their votes for the next president early on Tuesday appeared to be worried about the direction of the country, and were looking for a "strong leader who can take the country back from the rich and powerful," according to an early reading from the Reuters/Ipsos national Election Day poll.

The poll of more than 10,000 people who have already cast their ballots in the presidential election showed a majority of voters are worried about their ability to get ahead and have little confidence in political parties or the media to improve their situation. A majority also feel that the economy is rigged to mostly help the wealthy.

The poll, which will be updated as additional responses are tallied and votes are counted throughout Tuesday, found:

- 75 percent agree that "America needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful."

- 72 percent agree "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful."

- 68 percent agree that "traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me."

- 76 percent believe "the mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth."

- 57 percent feel that "more and more, I don't identify with what America has become."

- 54 percent feel "it is increasingly hard for someone like me to get ahead in America."


Source.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 22:43 GMT
#119836
All of those things are true and I doubt that Trump would have addressed any of them.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 08 2016 22:44 GMT
#119837
On November 09 2016 07:40 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
Americans who had cast their votes for the next president early on Tuesday appeared to be worried about the direction of the country, and were looking for a "strong leader who can take the country back from the rich and powerful," according to an early reading from the Reuters/Ipsos national Election Day poll.

The poll of more than 10,000 people who have already cast their ballots in the presidential election showed a majority of voters are worried about their ability to get ahead and have little confidence in political parties or the media to improve their situation. A majority also feel that the economy is rigged to mostly help the wealthy.

The poll, which will be updated as additional responses are tallied and votes are counted throughout Tuesday, found:

- 75 percent agree that "America needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful."

- 72 percent agree "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful."

- 68 percent agree that "traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me."

- 76 percent believe "the mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth."

- 57 percent feel that "more and more, I don't identify with what America has become."

- 54 percent feel "it is increasingly hard for someone like me to get ahead in America."


Source.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
November 08 2016 22:44 GMT
#119838
On November 09 2016 07:32 Plansix wrote:
I am not sure it is illegal. It might just be something US News Media does not do.

Presumably it can change the result, given the time difference across the US. If Florida is looking heavily like it went to Clinton then Republicans in California might not bother going to vote at all. That'd seem the most reasonable explanation for that kind of policy to me.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 08 2016 22:45 GMT
#119839
On November 09 2016 07:37 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 07:36 biology]major wrote:
How much time after polls close do determine who won?

Anywhere from 6 hours to a month. Probably by midnight EST


Depending on how the initial turnout numbers look we might even have a pretty good idea before 8PM. If the numbers look like the polls she wins, if she is beating the polls she wins, if he is beating the polls then it might be close.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 08 2016 22:45 GMT
#119840
obama has a lot of work to do with that 'trust in government' project.

it's absolutely hilarious how the far left don't dare to bash obama even on his signature issues, but readily indulge in character assassination vs HRC even using issues where she is nominally on her side.

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