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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:01 Paljas wrote: not sure what qualifies as "far left" for you, but people who support obama certainly are not part of it. people who think the central conflict is neoliberalism corporate power vs them. i know it well enough. | ||
KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:02 Big J wrote: Yeah, well that's what we thought in Austria too. Until the courts told us to go vote again. Does your country have a history challenging elections? If not, you may wonder what's possible if someone actually just tries. Gore conceded, then discovered Florida was within the margin of a mandatory recount so he was forced to unconcede, wait for the recount and then reconcede. But if Gore didn't get 2000 Trump isn't getting this (unless he actually wins fairly). | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:02 Big J wrote: Yeah, well that's what we thought in Austria too. Until the courts told us to go vote again. Does your country have a history challenging elections? If not, you may wonder what's possible if someone actually just tries. tbh I wouldn't mind seeing a 8-0 Supreme Court slapdown of a challenge from DJT. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:02 Big J wrote: Yeah, well that's what we thought in Austria too. Until the courts told us to go vote again. Does your country have a history challenging elections? If not, you may wonder what's possible if someone actually just tries. It was tried in 2000 when Florida was close and there were accusations of voting irregularities. No change but it was challenged. Speaking of Austria, I haven't heard about that election of yours recently. How is it going? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Go go 300+ for Clinton. Only took like 5min to vote here in Arizona. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:04 Doodsmack wrote: tbh I wouldn't mind seeing a 8-0 Supreme Court slapdown of a challenge from DJT. doubt donald law can come up with a case that gets to the supreme court. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:03 oneofthem wrote: people who think the central conflict is neoliberalism corporate power vs them. i know it well enough. if you need to paint the average left liberal as "far left" to fit into your world view, then fair enough | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:04 LegalLord wrote: It was tried in 2000 when Florida was close and there were accusations of voting irregularities. No change but it was challenged. Speaking of Austria, I haven't heard about that election of yours recently. How is it going? Don't ask, they had to postpone the re-election. And they are having issues again... The good thing about the election is that it is drying out the money reserves of our far-right, so they might be broke for the actual parliamental elections. Good for you if you have a more robust law. Our right-wingers are basically abusing formalities to weaken democracy. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:07 Paljas wrote: if you need to paint the average left liberal as "far left" to fit into your world view, then fair enough i didn't say 'people who vaguely dislike corporations.' i said people who toss around terms like neoliberal in that particular way, it involves a more elaborate ideological system. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:04 LegalLord wrote: It was tried in 2000 when Florida was close and there were accusations of voting irregularities. No change but it was challenged. Speaking of Austria, I haven't heard about that election of yours recently. How is it going? Going for the third try in 4 weeks (2nd was aborted because of defective envelopes....) Personally as much as i detest both candidates i just want this shit over with.... Surprisingly similar feelings when I look across the pond to be honest. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:12 Tula wrote: Going for the third try in 4 weeks (2nd was aborted because of defective envelopes....) Personally as much as i detest both candidates i just want this shit over with.... Surprisingly similar feelings when I look across the pond to be honest. Haha, if we had what you're having then I'm pretty sure the entire world would be in a panic for months and stocks would be in a wild swing. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:01 LegalLord wrote: let's be honest here, leftists dislike hillary for substantive political reasons, not engaging in political tactics or being a woman. Could be the (justified) perception of dishonesty, the FBI investigations, the warhawking, the perceived collusion with the DNC to win the primaries, or the history of flip-flopping. Or it could just be that racism is worse than sexism. Your call. disaggregating hillary's disapproval between primary hillary vs primary sanders voters, she has a near 100% approval for the former group, but the latter group is far more vulnerable to character related charges. the reason being, it is easier to believe in character negatives for someone seen as not in your ideological group. btw, she is not a warhawk, but more of a moralistic foreign policy person with a bit too much trust of the military brass's understanding of military power. between foreign policy nihilism and recognition of democratic values, the world needs the latter at this particular point. whehter she can execute the long plan is another matter, but she's got the right people to influence her in that direction. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:14 LegalLord wrote: Haha, if we had what you're having then I'm pretty sure the entire world would be in a panic for months and stocks would be in a wild swing. Thankfully we are far more insignificant as a country and out President itself according to our constitution is far more insignificant as well. Still it is without a doubt the most painful clusterfuck I've had the "pleasure" to watch in a long time. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:03 oneofthem wrote: people who think the central conflict is neoliberalism corporate power vs them. i know it well enough. Tell me, what's the central conflict to you ? USA vs Russia ? I'm the kind of guy that you would label as far left, and I actually disagree with you. Obama came off as a great president from where I stand. Politics is not all black and white, there is a lot of grey and, considering that, he made the most with what he had. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html It shows Clinton ahead in all swing states but IA and FL by small margins. FL margin is large, and behind in IA | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10927 Posts
The USA should just feel ashamed that this is what your "democracy" has become. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 09 2016 08:27 Nevuk wrote: Anyone know anything about this votecastr project? Slate and Vice are both running it, some sort of exit polling thing I think http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html It shows Clinton ahead in all swing states but IA and FL by small margins. FL margin is large, and behind in IA I'm fairly sure it doesn't use exit polls at all (it's been running all day). It leverages county-level early voting registration data, pre-election polls, and "microtargeting" models, whatever that means. I don't much trust it, personally. | ||
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