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On November 09 2016 07:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 07:07 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:58 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 06:54 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:39 Plansix wrote:
And many of your nations are the size of one of our states in landmass and population. Sometimes in GDP too. Though we normally need to block our states to match up with some of your heavy hitters.
It is hard to remember, but the US as a whole is as large and diverse as all of the EU. Though I think as a whole you have better food. I know Americans like to make that statement but it makes about as much sense as saying "China is as large and diverse as all of NATO!" We say it because it doesn't really.. it doesn't sink in. People see America as America. One big ol group of people. And you think that applies to any European country? Or even better, Europe as a whole? There is a very large rural/urban cultural divide in the US, and also in every other urbanized country. The US political system has issues with power centralization... and so does Bosnia-Hercikovina. Sweden has a larger percentage foreign born citizens than the US does. I dont know, I have lived in the US for the past 5 years, I just don't see this massive qualitative differences you guys are describing. You have not lived in enough areas in the US. There is a huge difference between the Massachusetts and Ohio or Texas. From how we run our local goverment to how we structure our lives. The mid-west is nothing like New England in both culture and political concerns. We are just huge.
we have bavaria over here. That might as well be another state that only claims that it belongs to Germany~
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On November 09 2016 07:14 biology]major wrote:My map  ![[image loading]](http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/pR7Ww.png)
While that would be entertaining I'm not convinced that a world where Michigan goes Trump's way yet Florida goes to Clinton exists.
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You are going to get warned for that, but I appreciate you keeping our northern neighbors from getting on that high horse.
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On November 09 2016 07:18 Wolfstan wrote:
I got Hilary at over 300 but Americans stupidity should not be underestimated. This is the electorate that elected Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Ventura and nominated Trump.
Edit: I wanted Trump to win the Republican primary too thinking he was a smarter candidate.
Double Edit: I actually legitimately belly laughed PassiveAce
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On November 09 2016 07:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:While that would be entertaining I'm not convinced that a world where Michigan goes Trump's way yet Florida goes to Clinton exists.
demographics. extremely polarized demographics.
but as long as we can bus people in from god knows where to vote in detroit we good.
/s
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On November 09 2016 07:21 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 07:18 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 07:07 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:58 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 06:54 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:39 Plansix wrote:
And many of your nations are the size of one of our states in landmass and population. Sometimes in GDP too. Though we normally need to block our states to match up with some of your heavy hitters.
It is hard to remember, but the US as a whole is as large and diverse as all of the EU. Though I think as a whole you have better food. I know Americans like to make that statement but it makes about as much sense as saying "China is as large and diverse as all of NATO!" We say it because it doesn't really.. it doesn't sink in. People see America as America. One big ol group of people. And you think that applies to any European country? Or even better, Europe as a whole? There is a very large rural/urban cultural divide in the US, and also in every other urbanized country. The US political system has issues with power centralization... and so does Bosnia-Hercikovina. Sweden has a larger percentage foreign born citizens than the US does. I dont know, I have lived in the US for the past 5 years, I just don't see this massive qualitative differences you guys are describing. You have not lived in enough areas in the US. There is a huge difference between the Massachusetts and Ohio or Texas. From how we run our local goverment to how we structure our lives. The mid-west is nothing like New England in both culture and political concerns. We are just huge. we have bavaria over here. That might as well be another state that only claims that it belongs to Germany~
We have this weird Island called Puerto Rico. It is totally part of the US and might become a state in the distant future when white people are a much small minority.
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On November 09 2016 07:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:While that would be entertaining I'm not convinced that a world where Michigan goes Trump's way yet Florida goes to Clinton exists.
Different demographics so it's entirely possible. Basically Florida is heavy Hispanic population whereas Michigan is more working class
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On November 09 2016 07:18 Wolfstan wrote:
I got Hilary at over 300 but Americans stupidity should not be underestimated. This is the electorate that elected Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Ventura and nominated Trump.
Edit: I wanted Trump to win the Republican primary too thinking he was a smarter candidate.
Eh, Ventura wasn't all bad honestly.
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Talked to American colleagues in Oslo and they were not amused by the prospect of Trump winning. firsr results in an hour and half, right?
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On November 09 2016 07:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 07:07 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:58 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 06:54 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:39 Plansix wrote:
And many of your nations are the size of one of our states in landmass and population. Sometimes in GDP too. Though we normally need to block our states to match up with some of your heavy hitters.
It is hard to remember, but the US as a whole is as large and diverse as all of the EU. Though I think as a whole you have better food. I know Americans like to make that statement but it makes about as much sense as saying "China is as large and diverse as all of NATO!" We say it because it doesn't really.. it doesn't sink in. People see America as America. One big ol group of people. And you think that applies to any European country? Or even better, Europe as a whole? There is a very large rural/urban cultural divide in the US, and also in every other urbanized country. The US political system has issues with power centralization... and so does Bosnia-Hercikovina. Sweden has a larger percentage foreign born citizens than the US does. I dont know, I have lived in the US for the past 5 years, I just don't see this massive qualitative differences you guys are describing. There are plenty of natural born US citizens who don't see it either, so you're not alone there. It really is a matter of perspective, and when a large percentage of a nation's native population never lives further than 50 miles away from where they were born, it's natural that viewpoints will differ wildly on what exactly makes up the fabric of living and working in American society. The urban/rural divide accounts for some of it, but, in a manner of speaking, farm folk in California and farm folk in Indiana are not the same kind of folk in much the same way that New Yorkers are not like Houstonians at all lol.
This is very fair. However, it's not clear to me how the cultural differences between a Californian farmer and one from Indiana compares to those between a milk farmer in Scania and a raindeer herder in Lappland.
Like I have very much lived most of my life a cultural bubble (natural sciences academia), it is just not a bubble that has any geographic constrains at all. My american, european, brittish friends and I all look and sound very similar, while we all fail to relate to rural people in similar ways.
Also omg, can there be actual data soon. I havent been obsessing this much over website updates for I dont know how long ><
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I hear the turnout could be as high as 60%, that's some good stuff, even if it's mostly for the wrong reasons
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On November 09 2016 07:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Talked to American colleagues in Oslo and they were not amused by the prospect of Trump winning. firsr results in an hour and half, right?
The first polls close in 30 minutes. The results will take a few more hours as they have to be processed and reported.
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On November 09 2016 07:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Talked to American colleagues in Oslo and they were not amused by the prospect of Trump winning. firsr results in an hour and half, right?
http://www.270towin.com/closing.php (the times are in Eastern Standard)
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On November 09 2016 07:27 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 07:11 farvacola wrote:On November 09 2016 07:07 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:58 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 06:54 KlaCkoN wrote:On November 09 2016 06:39 Plansix wrote:
And many of your nations are the size of one of our states in landmass and population. Sometimes in GDP too. Though we normally need to block our states to match up with some of your heavy hitters.
It is hard to remember, but the US as a whole is as large and diverse as all of the EU. Though I think as a whole you have better food. I know Americans like to make that statement but it makes about as much sense as saying "China is as large and diverse as all of NATO!" We say it because it doesn't really.. it doesn't sink in. People see America as America. One big ol group of people. And you think that applies to any European country? Or even better, Europe as a whole? There is a very large rural/urban cultural divide in the US, and also in every other urbanized country. The US political system has issues with power centralization... and so does Bosnia-Hercikovina. Sweden has a larger percentage foreign born citizens than the US does. I dont know, I have lived in the US for the past 5 years, I just don't see this massive qualitative differences you guys are describing. There are plenty of natural born US citizens who don't see it either, so you're not alone there. It really is a matter of perspective, and when a large percentage of a nation's native population never lives further than 50 miles away from where they were born, it's natural that viewpoints will differ wildly on what exactly makes up the fabric of living and working in American society. The urban/rural divide accounts for some of it, but, in a manner of speaking, farm folk in California and farm folk in Indiana are not the same kind of folk in much the same way that New Yorkers are not like Houstonians at all lol. This is very fair. However, it's not clear to me how the cultural differences between a Californian farmer and one from Indiana compares to those between a milk farmer in Scania and a raindeer herder in Lappland. Like I have very much lived most of my life a cultural bubble (natural sciences academia), it is just not a bubble that has any geographic constrains at all. My american, european, brittish friends and I all look and sound very similar, while we all fail to relate to rural people in similar ways.
The most American answer is: Cross Country Road Trip. There is no more American form of travel than taking a car across the entire country and stopping at every weird place you can find.
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In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish)
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On November 09 2016 07:30 NukeD wrote:
In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish)
Depends on what you publish. Pretty sure there is no restriction on national exit polls, for instance. But they aren't accurate enough to be worthwhile imo.
Edit: to be clear, like Plansix says, not technically illegal. But there are agreed upon rules.
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On November 09 2016 07:30 NukeD wrote:
In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish)
Illegal to publish before a certain time. Exit polls aren't the same as "Who did you vote for". They're more "Why did you vote for the candidate you did"?
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I am not sure it is illegal. It might just be something US News Media does not do.
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I don't want to engage into the discussion but I'm surprised by the antagonism and how journalists are plainly showing their political stance and preference in the election, language like "Exit Polls 40% of Voters support Border Wall".
Shouldn't there be similar thing about Hillary? Like "x% of the voters think leaking state secrets is cool"?
I always thought that good journalism is about being impartial and about reporting things
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On November 09 2016 07:31 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 07:30 NukeD wrote:
In our local media they say we will have exit polls every minute now. Is this true (cos you guys said its illegal to publish) Depends on what you publish. Pretty sure there is no restriction on national exit polls, for instance. But they aren't accurate enough to be worthwhile imo.
I heard Indiana exit polls coming in 27 mins on TYT.
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