US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5226

On September 28 2016 01:57 Doodsmack wrote:
If Trump comes to the next debate heavily prepared and presidential, with preparations to nail Clinton on her weak points, he could redeem himself as far the debates go IMO.

On September 28 2016 01:59 Yoav wrote:


Conventional wisdom is that the winner of the first debate usually loses the second debate, or at least fails to beat expectations. I imagine he'll actually prepare and it'll be less lopsided. But it's hard to really know... he's just stupid enough he might not change course, in which case she'll just kick the shit out of him the second time too.

Edit: The other thing worth saying is that he declined fast. If it actually is a stamina issue, then there's no fixing it.

On September 28 2016 02:05 Stratos_speAr wrote:


Conventional wisdom hasn't really held in this election, so take it with a grain of salt.

On September 27 2016 23:23 Grumbels wrote:

I think partly the problem is sloppy use of terminology on my part. I'm guilty of conflating the following things: racist vs having racist beliefs, being a white nationalist vs supporting white nationalist movements. Racist is such a loaded word that you have to be more careful in using it, I guess.



For the record, I don't think every supporter of these populist parties is actually a white nationalist, but I do think they are guilty of enabling racist rhetoric and empowering white nationalists. I also don't think that every person that has some unexamined racial biases or has feelings of resentment about other races is necessarily a hardcore movement racist, nevertheless they often serve as useful mainstream allies for actual white nationalists. Not all Trump supporters are racist and are attracted to Trump because of racism, but it's still very significant. And the fact that racial resentment correlates to Trump support just seems hugely significant and gives an important clue about his campaign and similar movements in Europe.

By the way, my brother votes for the Dutch "freedom party" and as he's consuming a steady diet of these resentment-based media channels that promote white victimhood I can see him slowly radicalizing. One of his friends, who wasn't that politically active before now said the following: he doesn't believe in interracial marriage and he thinks there will be a pan-European conflict between the nationalists (the good guys) and the liberal globalists that use immigration to destroy our culture.

People like Trump actually radicalize otherwise normal people, or at least play into their insecurities. It's dangerous.

On September 24 2016 09:59 TheYango wrote:

Intrinsically, I think the idea behind "everybody is a little racist" and "white privilege" and similar ideas isn't to put people into buckets of "racist" and "not racist", but just to make *everybody* (whether they're "racists" or not) a little more aware of how their perspective might color other people's impressions of the things they say or do, and to get everyone to be a little bit more introspective of how they treat people of other races. The goal is to educate and encourage introspection, which I don't think this is an ignoble goal.

The problem is that "racist" is a word that has too many negative connotations and people just get hung up on the term, when applying negative monikers to people isn't the point at all. People on the left use it as a way to legitimize their overuse of a negative label and apply the label to people whose ideas they don't like, while people on the right get hung up on the term and just miss the point of what those ideas are about.

Donald Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets special guarantees from the moderators, former New York mayor and top Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani told reporters after the debate.

Lester Holt, the NBC News anchor who moderated the debate, should be “ashamed of himself,” Giuliani said after the debate. He said Holt was wrong to attempt to fact-check Trump on the constitutionality of stop-and-frisk and his claimed opposition to the Iraq War.

“If I were Donald Trump I wouldn’t participate in another debate unless I was promised that the journalist would act like a journalist and not an incorrect, ignorant fact checker,” Giuliani said. “The moderator would have to promise that there would be a moderator and not a fact checker and in two particular cases an enormously ignorant, completely misinformed fact checker.”

“If you wonder why Donald Trump thinks that the press is a left-wing basically oriented group, Lester Holt proved it tonight," he added.

He later clarified about future debates: “I didn’t say what I’m advising him, I said what I would do.”

Trump himself had no problem with Holt's performance. The moderator did a "fine" job, Trump said.

But Giuliani was especially piqued by Holt’s claim that “stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York.”

“No, you're wrong. It went before a judge who was a very-against-police judge,” Trump responded. “It was taken away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. They would have won an appeal.”

“Stop and frisk is completely constitutional and the American people have been given the false impression that it isn’t,” Giuliani said.

A federal district court judge ruled in 2013 that New York City’s stop-and-frisk policy violated the Constitution. Mayor Bill de Blasio, who ran on a platform opposing stop-and-frisk, ended the policy soon after taking office.

On September 28 2016 02:28 ticklishmusic wrote:


anyone want to point out exactly when giuliani went off the deep end?

On September 28 2016 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:
“Every time I said something, she would say something back,” he said. “It was rigged.”

This sentence wins. There is a lot of win in that sentence, it is amazing. Believe me.

edit: Oh wait it's bullshit. I'm an idiot ><

On September 28 2016 02:33 Nebuchad wrote:
“Every time I said something, she would say something back,” he said. “It was rigged.”

This sentence wins. There is a lot of win in that sentence, it is amazing. Believe me.

edit: Oh wait it's bullshit. I'm an idiot ><

On September 28 2016 02:28 ticklishmusic wrote:


anyone want to point out exactly when giuliani went off the deep end?