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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 11:10 GMT
#93441
It’s hard to know exactly when the Republican Party assumed the mantle of the “stupid party.”

Stupidity is not an accusation that could be hurled against such prominent early Republicans as Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Elihu Root and Charles Evans Hughes. But by the 1950s, it had become an established shibboleth that the “eggheads” were for Adlai Stevenson and the “boobs” for Dwight D. Eisenhower — a view endorsed by Richard Hofstadter’s 1963 book “Anti-Intellectualism in American Life,” which contrasted Stevenson, “a politician of uncommon mind and style, whose appeal to intellectuals overshadowed anything in recent history,” with Eisenhower — “conventional in mind, relatively inarticulate.” The John F. Kennedy presidency, with its glittering court of Camelot, cemented the impression that it was the Democrats who represented the thinking men and women of America.

Rather than run away from the anti-intellectual label, Republicans embraced it for their own political purposes. In his “time for choosing” speech, Ronald Reagan said that the issue in the 1964 election was “whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant Capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.” Richard M. Nixon appealed to the “silent majority” and the “hard hats,” while his vice president, Spiro T. Agnew, issued slashing attacks on an “effete core of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals.”

William F. Buckley Jr. famously said, “I should sooner live in a society governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the 2,000 faculty members of Harvard University.” More recently, George W. Bush joked at a Yale commencement: “To those of you who received honors, awards and distinctions, I say, well done. And to the C students I say, you, too, can be president of the United States.”

Many Democrats took all this at face value and congratulated themselves for being smarter than the benighted Republicans. Here’s the thing, though: The Republican embrace of anti-intellectualism was, to a large extent, a put-on. At least until now.


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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7115 Posts
August 08 2016 11:22 GMT
#93442
On August 08 2016 10:26 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 10:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
No that isn't a seizure. She's clearly making a joke in that one

I won't stand for a presidential candidate making fun of the disabled.



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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2016 12:53 GMT
#93443
On August 08 2016 14:25 KwarK wrote:
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On August 08 2016 13:07 Plansix wrote:
On August 08 2016 10:30 xDaunt wrote:
On August 08 2016 10:23 biology]major wrote:
On August 08 2016 10:12 Plansix wrote:
On August 08 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.

Its ransom because Republicans want it to be. Money that some day in the future would be released to Iran, but because Obama did it, its ransom. The key factor is that Obama did it, so it must be a sign of weakness. Being strong is maintaining the status quo and claiming you accomplished something for the GOP.


It is ransom because of the timing. They received a payment, and then right after confirmation let the prisoners free.

The only people not calling it a ransom are democrats. The Iranians sure think it was a ransom. As does at least one of the hostages.

You do know we do this shit all the time, right? Under both parties. We release frozen assets or withhold funding to other parties. Sell weapons and so on. Prisoners taken by other nations don't get released because we are so awesome and they fear our might. We trade for them.

These deals, they're the worst deals, they, China you see, they're laughing at us and they say that Obama is a bad negotiator, that's why Japan, and like the other Mexican countries, they're taking advantage of us. It's a bad deal. They think we're stupid. The Middle Easts, they hear about these deals and they come to me and they say "Donald, I don't believe it" and I say that they should believe it because I don't agree with them. They don't pay anything because they don't think we can walk away. And Obama won't walk away from the Muslims. I'm not saying why he won't but a lot of people tell me he's a Muslim. I don't know, all I know is that he gave a lot of money to his Muslim friends in Iran. And he says that's not exactly how it happened, well, I don't know how it happened, I don't know what the deal is, I haven't read it, all I know is that it's a bad deal. A lot of folks have read it, smart folks, folks that can read, and they don't like it.

This is exactly what I needed on a Monday. Well played.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 12:58 GMT
#93444
NEW YORK — Taken aback by the size of Donald Trump’s July fundraising haul, Hillary Clinton’s campaign is quickly working to beef up its efforts to raise campaign cash before the fall — sending the candidate, running mate Tim Kaine, and former President Bill Clinton on an all-out financial sprint through August while explicitly warning top fundraisers this week that they need to pick up the pace.

In an internal memo, first obtained by POLITICO, that will be circulated to high-level donors on Monday morning, campaign manager Robby Mook specifically writes that the Republican nominee’s July haul overshot the campaign’s expectations, necessitating a new wave of action.

“Donald Trump also had his best fundraising month of the campaign, raising $80 million,” explains Mook in the roughly 750-word missive — titled “Wake Up Call” — after trumpeting Clinton’s own $90 million haul between the campaign and other Democratic committees. “This was far more than anyone expected — and should be a wake-up call to all Hillary supporters. We must redouble our efforts in the coming weeks."

Clinton has had a robust fundraising operation going since she launched her campaign in April 2015, allowing her to build up a cash stockpile of $58 million heading into August and funding campaign ads across the country that Trump has been unable or unwilling to match — that's in addition to the big-money efforts from her supportive super PACs. But Trump’s recent cash strength after months of not lifting a finger to raise money has given party leaders pause, particularly since — as Mook notes — Clinton’s cash pace is behind that of President Barack Obama four years ago.

“While we are very proud of the more than $469 million our campaign has raised so far, we remain behind the historic pace that President Obama set in 2012, raising $520 million during the same time frame. With only three months to go, it is critical that we close the gap between President Obama’s record-level fundraising and the pace we are currently on,” reads the memo. “Falling short of the resources raised in 2012 will require us to scale back from the investments President Obama’s campaign made in organizing, data and other critical tools."

To avoid such a fate while matched up against a Trump operation with $37 million on hand, the campaign is sending both Clintons and Kaine on a fast-paced fundraising tour of the country on top of their public campaigning. And while many of their events were scheduled prior to the release of Trump’s numbers, the campaign intends to use Trump’s figures to amp up the urgency among its fundraisers.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 13:28:02
August 08 2016 13:26 GMT
#93445


Edit #1:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 08 2016 13:39 GMT
#93446
Wow, someone who's actually not past retirement age will enter this election
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44563 Posts
August 08 2016 13:42 GMT
#93447
So if Evan McMullin runs as an independent conservative candidate, that would take votes from Trump... which ensures that Hillary wins... right?

Sounds good to me.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
August 08 2016 13:48 GMT
#93448
I expect this dude to close his campaign about as quickly as it opens lol
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42950 Posts
August 08 2016 13:57 GMT
#93449
I suspect that the vast majority of votes cast will go to the two main parties, as always.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 08 2016 13:58 GMT
#93450
can he even get enough signatures to get his name on the ballots in any states? or is he gonna be in a write in guy
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
August 08 2016 14:01 GMT
#93451
are candidates somehow requierd to spend the money or can trump just pocket the money now and end his campaign? Seems like an easy way to become a multi-millionaire.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 14:03:34
August 08 2016 14:02 GMT
#93452
Third party bids for the oval office need to happen before the primaries. Otherwise they are just stunts.

On August 08 2016 23:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
are candidates somehow requierd to spend the money or can trump just pocket the money now and end his campaign? Seems like an easy way to become a multi-millionaire.


That would be fraud, so nope.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44563 Posts
August 08 2016 14:08 GMT
#93453
On August 08 2016 23:02 Plansix wrote:
Third party bids for the oval office need to happen before the primaries. Otherwise they are just stunts.

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 23:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
are candidates somehow requierd to spend the money or can trump just pocket the money now and end his campaign? Seems like an easy way to become a multi-millionaire.


That would be fraud, so ehhhhh maybeee.


Probably more accurate, considering so many politicians are corrupt.

Although to be fair, if Trump is committing fraud to become a multi-millionaire, then he's lost so much money that I could totally see him trying to pull a stunt like that.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
August 08 2016 14:09 GMT
#93454
Well, he's been doing that kind of thing all the time.

He owns some of the companies that produce his merchandise and he's paying himself handsomely for himself and his staff being allowed to stay in his own hotels.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42950 Posts
August 08 2016 14:12 GMT
#93455
On August 08 2016 23:01 RoomOfMush wrote:
are candidates somehow requierd to spend the money or can trump just pocket the money now and end his campaign? Seems like an easy way to become a multi-millionaire.

What Trump did through the primaries is fund his campaign with loans he made to it while insisting that because he refused to take money from corporate donors he wouldn't be a sell out like the other Republican candidates. Then, once he'd eliminated them, he was able to pick up the Republican fundraising machine and take a shitton of money from everyone which he could then repay to himself. After people started paying attention to this arrangement and asking questions about it he said that he changed the loans to gifts but I can't help but wonder if he'd still have done the same if he didn't think he had a legitimate chance of winning. Given the current polls it looks like an expensive vanity fueled mistake at the moment.
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RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
August 08 2016 14:31 GMT
#93456
So there is a law against it? An actual law that is actually enforced? Or are you just saying "no, that would be wrong..." and thats it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 14:32 GMT
#93457
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
August 08 2016 14:34 GMT
#93458
On August 08 2016 23:31 RoomOfMush wrote:
So there is a law against it? An actual law that is actually enforced? Or are you just saying "no, that would be wrong..." and thats it.

Election law is incredibly complicated but yes, somewhere in FEC regs there is a prohibition of self-enrichment using election-related funds.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 08 2016 14:49 GMT
#93459
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21774 Posts
August 08 2016 15:02 GMT
#93460
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

??
The latest news I heard was Trump Jr actually did call Kasich's campaign staff to offer him the Presidency (A VP ticket with foreign and domestic power).
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