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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 08 2016 15:04 GMT
#93461
There was a NYTimes article about it weeks ago.

Kasich is enjoying this.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 15:09 GMT
#93462
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
August 08 2016 15:18 GMT
#93463
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.


I reckon it's pretty close. Corruption is the one thing they're head to head on.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 08 2016 15:23 GMT
#93464
On August 08 2016 23:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Romney should run for President just in Utah tbh, just to fuck with Trump
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8074 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 15:26:55
August 08 2016 15:24 GMT
#93465
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 08 2016 15:37 GMT
#93466
On August 09 2016 00:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/762658180010741760


Another poll where Johnson is doing god's work.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 15:42:09
August 08 2016 15:41 GMT
#93467
Atlanta is probably overweighted in that poll, and there's no breakdown by party affiliation. Hard to say how good the poll is, though added to the other polls it would see GA is truly in play.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
August 08 2016 15:52 GMT
#93468
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.
Question.?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 08 2016 15:57 GMT
#93469
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 08 2016 16:03 GMT
#93470
On August 09 2016 00:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
Atlanta is probably overweighted in that poll, and there's no breakdown by party affiliation. Hard to say how good the poll is, though added to the other polls it would see GA is truly in play.

I think it is "in play", but I also think the GOP will be able to pull it out. They will need to spend more time and money on GA, which will hurt them other places, but in the end, I think they will get GA. But who knows, maybe forcing the Trump campaign to react will cause all the damage it needs to.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45771 Posts
August 08 2016 16:23 GMT
#93471
On August 09 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?


Trump supporters who refer to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" because of her few scandals and occasional accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Trump has had thousands of lawsuits and scandals surrounding him and his shady business dealings.

One of many articles citing that figure:
"An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits."
~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 16:32:28
August 08 2016 16:32 GMT
#93472
The defamation lawsuits might be the worst part of that. That's Trump's mechanism for acting on his pettiness. He employs a lawyer army of attack dogs...he's a terrible person. And he has explicitly stated he would use his presidential power to achieve similar ends. I'm not even going to call him a dice roll anymore, because he's worse than that, on a fundamental personality level. Those who are willing to vote for him are really playing with fire.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
August 08 2016 16:32 GMT
#93473
On August 09 2016 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?


Trump supporters who refer to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" because of her few scandals and occasional accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Trump has had thousands of lawsuits and scandals surrounding him and his shady business dealings.

One of many articles citing that figure:
"An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits."
~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/


lmao "few scandals and occasional accusations". The bar for being president of the USA has reached an all time low. Literally your defense is my candidate has fewer scandals than the other one.
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 16:35:33
August 08 2016 16:34 GMT
#93474
On August 09 2016 01:32 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?


Trump supporters who refer to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" because of her few scandals and occasional accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Trump has had thousands of lawsuits and scandals surrounding him and his shady business dealings.

One of many articles citing that figure:
"An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits."
~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/


lmao "few scandals and occasional accusations". The bar for being president of the USA has reached an all time low. Literally your defense is my candidate has fewer scandals than the other one.

The fact that people consider Trump to be an option is proof of this. The man is a con artist that pretends to be a successful business man. And he will threaten anyone who says otherwise with a lawsuit.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
August 08 2016 16:36 GMT
#93475
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.



Donald Trump has 37 4 pinocchio statements at WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/22/all-of-donald-trumps-four-pinocchio-ratings-in-one-place/


How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
August 08 2016 16:42 GMT
#93476
On August 09 2016 01:32 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?


Trump supporters who refer to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" because of her few scandals and occasional accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Trump has had thousands of lawsuits and scandals surrounding him and his shady business dealings.

One of many articles citing that figure:
"An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits."
~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/


lmao "few scandals and occasional accusations". The bar for being president of the USA has reached an all time low. Literally your defense is my candidate has fewer scandals than the other one.

Responding to your statement that Hillary is crooked because she lied x times does not mean the only defense is "your candidate lies more".

Its a response to your allegation, nothing more.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 08 2016 16:42 GMT
#93477
Hillary is less shifty and dishonest than the right would have you believe, but also a far cry from the innocent victim of an unfounded smear campaign that her supporters would have you believe. Including the ones who claim to be "reluctant" supporters but who at the same time shill really hard for her.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 08 2016 16:43 GMT
#93478
I've been pondering how to address the issues caused by the ever more rapidly changing economy, and globalization. I'm thinking that, just as educational availability has expanded over time; it may be time to have some sort of public, free, continuing education option, to ensure that everyone can retrain to get the skills for whatever jobs are available.
Not at all sure yet that it's the best approach, but it seems like a better idea than protectionism; and people switch jobs and careers so much more these days, that a continuing ed approach seems worthwhile. And I'm not sure how many poor people would be able to afford the private continuing ed options that are available, so it may be better for society to offer such options free, just as we have free K-12 for everyone. These days so much just changes from when you were last in school that continuing ed is more important than it used to be.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45771 Posts
August 08 2016 16:44 GMT
#93479
On August 09 2016 01:32 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2016 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:57 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:52 biology]major wrote:
On August 09 2016 00:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 08 2016 23:49 Doodsmack wrote:
So Trump lied through his teeth about contacting Kasich for VP? Is there still any claim to Trump being less crooked than Hillary? I'd like to hear the argument.

Well except for using a wrong server for her emails, there has never been the shadow of a proof that Hillary was crooked.

Meanwhile, the life of Trump is littered with cheated customers, ruined investors and thousands of lawsuits, and his short political career has been built on one lie after another.

But apparently nobody seems to notice how rich it is to call anyone, least of all Clinton, crooked.

On that subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQoE3s7J7g



HRC is so truthful and honest that she was given 4 pinocchios by the washington post. Then she had an opportunity to address it, where she gave an incoherent answer that didn't even acknowledge why she was defending her position in the first place . I don't expect you to even respond reasonably to this, but am more interested in the delusion you will come up with to protect your views.


Do you think HRC is more crooked than Donald?


Trump supporters who refer to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" because of her few scandals and occasional accusations conveniently ignore the fact that Trump has had thousands of lawsuits and scandals surrounding him and his shady business dealings.

One of many articles citing that figure:
"An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits."
~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/


lmao "few scandals and occasional accusations". The bar for being president of the USA has reached an all time low. Literally your defense is my candidate has fewer scandals than the other one.


While I agree with you that the bar is set remarkably low for this election, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump aren't even remotely comparable in terms of scandals. A few versus thousands? At best, Trump supporters should ignore the whole topic altogether and move on to policies (which, admittedly, is tough when your candidate doesn't actually have any consistent views or realistic strategies for anything). At worst, Trump is a hundred times more corrupt, less professional, more douchey, and less prepared than Clinton is.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 08 2016 16:45 GMT
#93480
Wow Evan McMullin is a hero...Kristol et al found their sabotage candidate...love it.
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