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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 07 2016 20:10 GMT
#93401
On August 08 2016 04:41 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 03:01 oBlade wrote:

Now when exactly did the far right stop believing that?


Fun fact, Mike Flynn was at that dinner as well
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-07 20:34:22
August 07 2016 20:30 GMT
#93402
On August 08 2016 03:45 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 03:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Well, a lot of Republican seats are on the down ballots so Hillary may end up with a very comfortable majority.

If she doesn't, the GOP will carry on with their obstructionist tactics, not giving a shit if they are hurting the country and not even looking if they could agree with what they are voting against. After all that's what they have done for 8 years.

A lot of the non-GH pro-Bernie crowd are working on down-ticket races for exactly that reason; now is a great time to try and take some back some once Republican entrenched seats.


Pfft, don't be an idiot. I helped people win races locally from PCO to Pramila, lost some too. You really don't know shit about what I'm doing, so it would behoove you to get off your high horse and leave me out of a comment like that.

While I'm here, of course Republicans are going to stay obstructionist, I don't really see how they can stop at this point. I could see some "working together" when it comes to FP and stuff like fracking though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 07 2016 20:30 GMT
#93403
On August 08 2016 05:00 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 04:41 LegalLord wrote:
On August 08 2016 03:01 oBlade wrote:
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/762272902045634560

Now when exactly did the far right stop believing that?

I don't know but I don't think they attack Trump about it.

They have and they do. A lot of the speakers at the RNC took a hard line against Russia in contradiction to Trump's general FP views. It was a bizarre shitshow.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-07 20:41:31
August 07 2016 20:39 GMT
#93404
On August 08 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 03:45 farvacola wrote:
On August 08 2016 03:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Well, a lot of Republican seats are on the down ballots so Hillary may end up with a very comfortable majority.

If she doesn't, the GOP will carry on with their obstructionist tactics, not giving a shit if they are hurting the country and not even looking if they could agree with what they are voting against. After all that's what they have done for 8 years.

A lot of the non-GH pro-Bernie crowd are working on down-ticket races for exactly that reason; now is a great time to try and take some back some once Republican entrenched seats.


Pfft, don't be an idiot. I helped people win races locally from PCO to Pramila, lost some too. You really don't know shit about what I'm doing, so it would behoove you to get off your high horse and leave me out of a comment like that.

While I'm here, of course Republicans are going to stay obstructionist, I don't really see how they can stop at this point. I could see some "working together" when it comes to FP and stuff like fracking though.

If you're going to repeatedly purport to speak on behalf of an entire movement, then it only makes sense to treat your posts as such.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23560 Posts
August 07 2016 20:42 GMT
#93405
On August 08 2016 05:39 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 08 2016 03:45 farvacola wrote:
On August 08 2016 03:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Well, a lot of Republican seats are on the down ballots so Hillary may end up with a very comfortable majority.

If she doesn't, the GOP will carry on with their obstructionist tactics, not giving a shit if they are hurting the country and not even looking if they could agree with what they are voting against. After all that's what they have done for 8 years.

A lot of the non-GH pro-Bernie crowd are working on down-ticket races for exactly that reason; now is a great time to try and take some back some once Republican entrenched seats.


Pfft, don't be an idiot. I helped people win races locally from PCO to Pramila, lost some too. You really don't know shit about what I'm doing, so it would behoove you to get off your high horse and leave me out of a comment like that.

While I'm here, of course Republicans are going to stay obstructionist, I don't really see how they can stop at this point. I could see some "working together" when it comes to FP and stuff like fracking though.

If you're going to repeatedly purport to speak on behalf of an entire movement, then I'm going to treat you as such.


What movement isn't working on down ticket races? Whatever it is, I've never claimed membership to such a group. I've been busting my ass for people down ticket (not even just my own state) so you can just stop.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
August 07 2016 22:02 GMT
#93406
On August 08 2016 04:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 04:33 On_Slaught wrote:
The one thing I don't believe Republicans could be obstructionist on is SC seats. They've already said too many times that the next President needs to pick them. When Hillary wins, they will have no choice but to capitulate.

Hahahahahaha

....

Oh wait your not joking?

Lets assume they are still able to obstruct the Supreme Court nomination. What tools do exactly exist to force a judge trough?
Or could they realistically keep the seat open indefinitely?


I mean, they do seem intent on just never winning the white house ever again, so I could see them being stupid enough to try. But the pressure build up would be monumental. They are all on the record. There is no defense they can give that doesn't make them look bad, likely costing them even more seats in 2 years.

So yeah, I suppose it may not happen immediately, but when they all get thrown out in 2018, Hillary will just shove through whoever she wants at that point.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2016 22:22 GMT
#93407
Ohio governor John Kasich warned on Sunday that Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is at risk of losing his state in November, thanks to his “disturbing” campaign of divisiveness.

Kasich’s remarks came a day after it was reported that the leader of the American Nazi Party said a Trump victory in the presidential election would “be a real opportunity for people like white nationalists, acting intelligently to build upon that”.

Ohio is part of the rust belt, the group of swing states on which the Trump campaign is concentrating much of its effort against Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. Kasich has declined to endorse Trump and did not attend the Republican national convention in Cleveland in July, at which Trump was officially nominated.

Speaking to CNN’s State of the Union, Kasich refused to commit to voting for Trump and predicted that Trump would only win the parts of Ohio “where people are really hurting”.

“It’s difficult, if you are dividing, to be able to win Ohio,” he said, adding: “I don’t think people want to live in a world of angry. They want to believe there is a better tomorrow.”

Kasich’s remarks spoke to evidence of strong support for Trump among white working-class voters nationally. In its report quoting remarks by Rocky Suhayda on his own radio show a week ago, Buzzfeed quoted the Nazi Party leader as saying: “I’m gonna project that I believe that Trump is going to win the election this November.

… I think it’s gonna surprise the enemy, because I think that they feel that the white working class, especially the male portion of the working class, and with him, his female counterparts, have basically thrown in the towel. Given up hope of any politician again standing up for their interests.”

Kasich said “of course” he would not vote for Clinton, but answered “no” when asked if he had decided not to vote for Trump either, adding: “We still have time. That’s something I think about, but not a lot.”

Asked what Trump would have to do to get his vote, Kasich said: “So much water has gone over the dam now, it’s becoming increasingly difficult.” What he was seeing from the Trump campaign, he said, was “very disturbing and alarming to me”.

“I wish I could be enthusiastic. I cannot be. I don’t know what is going to happen in the end.”

Many observers think the election increasingly likely to end in Trump’s defeat. He has slipped further behind in the polls, and a national survey published on Sunday showing him trailing Clinton by eight points. The ABC/Washington Post poll put Clinton at 50% among registered voters, ahead of Trump at 42%. In a similar poll taken just before the party conventions in July, Clinton held a four-point lead. The realclearpolitics.com poll average gives Clinton a seven-point advantage.


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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-07 23:25:55
August 07 2016 23:25 GMT
#93408
donald-trumps-calls-philippines-terrorist-nation

So i guess trump can cross Filipinos off the bucket list of ethnic groups to target. So who is left for team trump to go after. Russians, i guess but he seems to like them. I wonder if he just has a list that he goes down every week just to make sure he gets everyone.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 07 2016 23:30 GMT
#93409
Frontpage of drudge report is so savage right now
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 08 2016 00:42 GMT
#93410
On August 08 2016 08:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Frontpage of drudge report is so savage right now

I'm more interested in whether this Iranian scientist execution gets conclusively linked to her emails. Between that and Obama's ransom payment, Iran is causing lots of problems for Democrats right now.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 00:45 GMT
#93411
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 01:05:00
August 08 2016 01:02 GMT
#93412
On August 08 2016 08:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Frontpage of drudge report is so savage right now

She's clearly got some health issues.
Those coughing fits don't sound healthy either.



Not normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 08 2016 01:08 GMT
#93413
No that isn't a seizure. She's clearly making a joke in that one
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 08 2016 01:12 GMT
#93414
On August 08 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.

Its ransom because Republicans want it to be. Money that some day in the future would be released to Iran, but because Obama did it, its ransom. The key factor is that Obama did it, so it must be a sign of weakness. Being strong is maintaining the status quo and claiming you accomplished something for the GOP.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
August 08 2016 01:23 GMT
#93415
On August 08 2016 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.

Its ransom because Republicans want it to be. Money that some day in the future would be released to Iran, but because Obama did it, its ransom. The key factor is that Obama did it, so it must be a sign of weakness. Being strong is maintaining the status quo and claiming you accomplished something for the GOP.


It is ransom because of the timing. They received a payment, and then right after confirmation let the prisoners free.
Question.?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 01:25 GMT
#93416
Back in January...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5811 Posts
August 08 2016 01:26 GMT
#93417
On August 08 2016 10:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
No that isn't a seizure. She's clearly making a joke in that one

I won't stand for a presidential candidate making fun of the disabled.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23560 Posts
August 08 2016 01:28 GMT
#93418
On August 08 2016 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.

Its ransom because Republicans want it to be. Money that some day in the future would be released to Iran, but because Obama did it, its ransom. The key factor is that Obama did it, so it must be a sign of weakness. Being strong is maintaining the status quo and claiming you accomplished something for the GOP.


It's obviously not ransom (being it's a decades old debt), but because it's cash and it's timing that is how it's being sold back in Iran, it's very helpful (for them) to have Republican politicians reinforcing that perception though.

For a group so focused on the ME they seem to have a pretty crappy grasp on the nature of the conflict.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-08 01:32:01
August 08 2016 01:30 GMT
#93419
On August 08 2016 10:23 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 10:12 Plansix wrote:
On August 08 2016 09:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
What ransom? It was Iranian money from the 70's and some of it was partially released after the Nuclear Agreement.

Its ransom because Republicans want it to be. Money that some day in the future would be released to Iran, but because Obama did it, its ransom. The key factor is that Obama did it, so it must be a sign of weakness. Being strong is maintaining the status quo and claiming you accomplished something for the GOP.


It is ransom because of the timing. They received a payment, and then right after confirmation let the prisoners free.

The only people not calling it a ransom are democrats. The Iranians sure think it was a ransom. As does at least one of the hostages.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2016 01:35 GMT
#93420
Florida senator Marco Rubio has said women infected with the Zika virus should not be allowed to have abortions, even if their babies have microcephaly, the severe developmental disorder than can result from infection with the disease.

“If I’m going to err, I’m going to err on the side of life,” the Republican told Politico. Rubio, who has championed Zika funding bills in the Senate, also blamed Democrats for the failure to pass such federal aid.

According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) figures, Florida is the state second-worst affected by Zika, after New York, but is the only state to have infections caused by local mosquitoes. Most Zika cases in the US have been found in people who travelled to affected countries and territories.

On Sunday, the Florida governor, Rick Scott, told NBC that despite his state having identified 16 cases of mosquito-borne Zika infections, “what we’re doing is working.”

Scott also called for increased federal aid, in addition to the several million Barack Obama has released in existing grants. On Friday, the federal Food and Drug Administration cleared a private company to release genetically altered mosquitoes which could help the fight against Zika on an island in the Florida Keys. The project will be subject to a local referendum in November.

Rubio ran unsuccessfully for the Republican presidential nomination and only recently decided to run for re-election rather than give up public life. During the presidential campaign, he said he was opposed to abortion in all instances, including in cases of rape or incest.

“I understand a lot of people disagree with my view – but I believe that all human life is worthy of protection of our laws,” he said on Saturday. “And when you present it in the context of Zika or any prenatal condition, it’s a difficult question and a hard one. But if I’m going to err, I’m going to err on the side of life.”

In the Senate, Rubio has supported the provision of funding for work against Zika. In May, after a $1.1bn funding measure he sponsored passed the Senate, he cited an estimate from the CDC director, Tom Frieden, that the lifetime cost of caring for a child born with microcephaly could reach $10m.


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