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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 02:39 GMT
#90841
I really like Believe Me. He doesn't have specifics...it's perfect.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6304 Posts
July 28 2016 02:40 GMT
#90842
Probably the strongest thing they can do is tell people they can't believe a word of Trump and that he's always lying, when you poison the well like that against someone it's very hard for them to convince you otherwise. But that might only be reaching the converted.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 28 2016 02:40 GMT
#90843
On July 28 2016 11:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think Kaine is much better VP than Pence

but we'll see for sure in their debate I guess


I think Pence was bad because it showed he was trying to pander to those he theoretically should have already locked up. Pence isn't someone you want when appealing to moderates, he is someone who scares moderates.
Never Knows Best.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:41:45
July 28 2016 02:40 GMT
#90844
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

This is not politics, it's bullcrap. Might work because Trump is a weirdo tho.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:44:24
July 28 2016 02:40 GMT
#90845
On July 28 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Probably the strongest thing they can do is tell people they can't believe a word of Trump and that he's always lying, when you poison the well like that against someone it's very hard for them to convince you otherwise. But that might only be reaching the converted.

Bloomberg is fairly representative of independents in this country. That's why he was on the podium tonight.

On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

I suppose denigrating ~75% of your constituency might be a winning move this election cycle.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:46:20
July 28 2016 02:45 GMT
#90846
Bloomberg is not representative of independents lol

more independents currently support Trump than Clinton
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:49:56
July 28 2016 02:46 GMT
#90847
On July 28 2016 11:40 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Probably the strongest thing they can do is tell people they can't believe a word of Trump and that he's always lying, when you poison the well like that against someone it's very hard for them to convince you otherwise. But that might only be reaching the converted.

Bloomberg is fairly representative of independents in this country. That's why he was on the podium tonight.

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

I suppose denigrating ~75% of your constituency might be a winning move this election cycle.

This does not play a role, people are willing to forget shit, in fact I heard it was even a political strategy for some of your previous presidents (betting on the mass forgetting the bad shit you did). What people wants is to respond to specific problems, economical, political, and you need to show them that you understand and have good responses to those problem. Simply arguing that the other is bad, while the other is pushing forward his own ideas and solution, is a losing move.

It's the Brexit all over again : you can't win by pointing out what's wrong with the other side, you need to show your solution to problems, not arguing that everything is okay. America is not "great" for many people ; #makingamericagreat is a stupid solution, but #americaisalreadygreat is a slap to the million of american that do like the actual state of affair.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 02:46 GMT
#90848
On July 28 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Bloomberg is not representative of independents lol

Not representative of embarrassed Republicans and Democrats, certainly.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 02:47 GMT
#90849
On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

This is not politics, it's bullcrap. Might work because Trump is a weirdo tho.

It's the standard democrat playbook, and has been for over a generation. Frankly, republicans have had problems dealing with it until now.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:52:02
July 28 2016 02:49 GMT
#90850
On July 28 2016 11:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

This is not politics, it's bullcrap. Might work because Trump is a weirdo tho.

It's the standard democrat playbook, and has been for over a generation. Frankly, republicans have had problems dealing with it until now.

And still have issues dealing with it, if this post is any indication. Democrats put the screws on gun control because they believe they don't need white male votes to win election cycles.

Meanwhile, the Republican Party 2012 autopsy is being burnt on a stake by their own voters.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 02:50 GMT
#90851
On July 28 2016 11:47 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

This is not politics, it's bullcrap. Might work because Trump is a weirdo tho.

It's the standard democrat playbook, and has been for over a generation. Frankly, republicans have had problems dealing with it until now.


Mexico's gonna pay for a wall...believe me.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5001 Posts
July 28 2016 02:51 GMT
#90852
The cult is strong with this one.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 02:51 GMT
#90853
On July 28 2016 11:49 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:47 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:40 WhiteDog wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 acker wrote:
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?

As opposed to endless descriptions of the supposed moral disposition of Trump, and all the shit about how latinos can dance, how women are powerful and how black is a nice color.

This is not politics, it's bullcrap. Might work because Trump is a weirdo tho.

It's the standard democrat playbook, and has been for over a generation. Frankly, republicans have had problems dealing with it until now.

And still have issues dealing with it, if this post is any indication. Democrats put the screws on gun control because they don't need white male votes any more.

I suspect that they're going to reevaluate that conclusion after this election.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:53:45
July 28 2016 02:53 GMT
#90854
On July 28 2016 11:51 xDaunt wrote:
I suspect that they're going to reevaluate that conclusion after this election.

I hope so; I care quite a bit about gun rights. But I doubt it.

Nobody changes a winning formula, especially when the opposition does the same losing strategy.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:58:29
July 28 2016 02:54 GMT
#90855
I'd hate giving this speech if I was Obama, nobody wants to talk at their own funerals.

"Yes we can", better slogan than "BetterHillarythanTrump" or "Love Trumps Hate".
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 02:57 GMT
#90856
I can't believe he was a keynote speaker just twelve years ago.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11581 Posts
July 28 2016 02:59 GMT
#90857
Has it been since Reagan that there was a sitting president that the future nominee wanted to be seen together- a passing of the baton of sorts?
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 03:00 GMT
#90858
Not for Clinton->Gore and Bush->McCain.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 03:03:00
July 28 2016 03:00 GMT
#90859
Obama was not a bad president for sure, you can argue that he didn't accomplish enough, but he did way more good than bad overall.

Look at that, he is talking about actual politics. What is happening ? Ho it's already over, my bad.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 03:03 GMT
#90860
The endorsements of Hillary have been pretty damned half-hearted, just like many of the endorsements of Trump at the republican convention. The difference is that the endorsements of Trump were expected to be half-hearted.
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