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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#90821
#NotOneWord LOL I wanna see this on twitter.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#90822
I predict he's going to release them prior to election day; I'd find it problematic if he didn't
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:33:31
July 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#90823
this is like pantomime or something, god this is terrible... not a good showing after that terrible hand clapping video, makes the entire party look like a joke.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#90824
The cowbell though
Neosteel Enthusiast
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#90825
On July 28 2016 11:20 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 07:16 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Bernie made it pretty clear that separation of powers isn't taken seriously as a concept these days. The fact that he outright stated it and people cheered hurt my soul.


Maybe it isn't taken seriously because it's a fantasy? What exactly do you think it is other than the founding myth of an apolitical, utopian America? It's an ideal that comes from a bunch of deist hyper-rationalists who, in elevating the divine law of Reason, confused their lawmaking with something like the divine violence of Benjamin. You can't take the politics out of the decisions, it doesn't matter who the judge is.


I expected them to give lip service to the idea, just as they constantly do for "democracy" (despite the fact that the United States has always been a constitutional republic) and "American exceptionalism". Even if it's an ideal that can never be fulfilled, it should still be one to strive for.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6523 Posts
July 28 2016 02:32 GMT
#90826
On July 28 2016 11:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think Kaine is much better VP than Pence

but we'll see for sure in their debate I guess

Newt would have killed that debate.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 28 2016 02:33 GMT
#90827
He is a one man wrecking crew and the train is coming!

get DNCLeak/TrumpPlaybook
T2S ./TrumpPlaybook
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:35:05
July 28 2016 02:33 GMT
#90828
"Donald Trump is such a moral disaster".

YOU WIN !!! HERE TAKE THE POWER TO BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THE PLANET !!!

"Hillary is lista, she is ready, she will not back down"... Wow NO FAKE ?! SO GOOD ?!

Hum and what about actual politics ?
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 28 2016 02:33 GMT
#90829
The speech has some clever elements, but it is an utter failure on the emotional sale. It's not gonna move the needle.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 28 2016 02:34 GMT
#90830
Too much Spanish class they REALLY want that latino vote lol
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:36:07
July 28 2016 02:35 GMT
#90831
They don't want the Hispanic vote, they already have that. They want to turn out the Hispanic vote.

If the Democrats can do that, they might pull a California and wipe out the Republicans for the next decade or two.
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1980 Posts
July 28 2016 02:35 GMT
#90832
On July 28 2016 11:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Too much Spanish class they REALLY want that latino vote lol


they don't even need to try to do that do they?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:36:30
July 28 2016 02:36 GMT
#90833
On July 28 2016 11:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:20 IgnE wrote:
On July 28 2016 07:16 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Bernie made it pretty clear that separation of powers isn't taken seriously as a concept these days. The fact that he outright stated it and people cheered hurt my soul.


Maybe it isn't taken seriously because it's a fantasy? What exactly do you think it is other than the founding myth of an apolitical, utopian America? It's an ideal that comes from a bunch of deist hyper-rationalists who, in elevating the divine law of Reason, confused their lawmaking with something like the divine violence of Benjamin. You can't take the politics out of the decisions, it doesn't matter who the judge is.


I expected them to give lip service to the idea, just as they constantly do for "democracy" (despite the fact that the United States has always been a constitutional republic) and "American exceptionalism". Even if it's an ideal that can never be fulfilled, it should still be one to strive for.


American exceptionalism is just as pernicious as the founding lie of government based on apolitical Reason.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 28 2016 02:37 GMT
#90834
Hillary is going to talk ? Or I'm going to sleep.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:37:52
July 28 2016 02:37 GMT
#90835
On July 28 2016 11:33 xDaunt wrote:
The speech has some clever elements, but it is an utter failure on the emotional sale. It's not gonna move the needle.


I'm not so sure. Honesty is a huge part of this election and going all in on Trumps dishonesty is a smart move.

I think attacking Believe Me could play really well in the long run. Trump really does say it ALL THE FUCKING TIME. This lays the foundation for some easy counters going forward, especially in the debates. Remember when Christie pwned Rubio for repeating answers mid debate? I could easily see Hillary doing the same thing.

"Oh, there it is again. Believe me. Believe me. That's all he has." etc.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:38:36
July 28 2016 02:37 GMT
#90836
On July 28 2016 11:37 WhiteDog wrote:
Hillary is going to talk ? Or I'm going to sleep.

Obama's next.

Edit: eventually.
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 02:39:20
July 28 2016 02:39 GMT
#90837
not this "my kids served their country" shit again.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 28 2016 02:39 GMT
#90838
On July 28 2016 11:37 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 11:33 xDaunt wrote:
The speech has some clever elements, but it is an utter failure on the emotional sale. It's not gonna move the needle.


I'm not so sure. Honesty is a huge part of this election and going all in on Trumps dishonesty is a smart move.

I think attacking Believe Me could play really well in the long run. Trump really does say it ALL THE FUCKING TIME. This lays the foundation for some easy counters going forward, especially in the debates. Remember when Christie pwned Rubio for repeating answers mid debate? I could easily see Hillary doing the same thing.

"Oh, there it is again. Believe me. Believe me. That's all he has." etc.

Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
July 28 2016 02:39 GMT
#90839
On July 28 2016 11:37 WhiteDog wrote:
Hillary is going to talk ? Or I'm going to sleep.


She talks tomorrow.

Next we get a lecture from Obama.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
July 28 2016 02:39 GMT
#90840
On July 28 2016 11:39 WhiteDog wrote:
Stupid strategy that could make the dems lose tho... Trump is actually doing a good job talking about real politics, maybe the dem could win if they did that too.

As opposed to fake politics..?
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