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where the heck does free speech come into this? the AG is investigating exxon mobile and they want to be able to carry on without interference. in addition:
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
On July 28 2016 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Donald Trump said that Hillary Clinton's runningmate, Tim Kaine, did an awful job as governor of New Jersey.
Unfortunately for Trump, Tim Kaine never was governor (or any elected official) of New Jersey; it turns out that Trump was talking about fellow Republican and ex-governor of New Jersey, Thomas Kean.
Well done, Trump.
He's basically just a (possibly) rich, (definitely) orange version of Sarah Palin.
If you had actually watched the press conference you would know Trump corrected himself almost immediately but I doubt that that would make a difference to you.
Because he got called out, just like he backtracks with everything else he says that's clearly stupid (e.g., women should be punished for legally aborting a fetus). He got caught. He just makes blanket statements that X is awful and Y is unpopular without actually thinking about what he says or adding any evidence to his claim, so he deserves to be scrutinized when he makes dumb or unjustified comments.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
On July 28 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote: where the heck does free speech come into this? the AG is investigating exxon mobile and they want to be able to carry on without interference. in addition:
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
seems pretty reasonable to me.
Not if you think that climate change isn't real or fact. Then they are suppressing free.....
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
yes. I love this gem from the comment section of the article
Oh the brain washing continues from the Marxist of this country fact is they dont know what facts mean. I find it Ironically one who is so brilliant as Obama to use the term "flat earthers" when in fact their science was totally base on consensus and not facts but alas the left doesnt deal in facts only propaganda. Fact is theres no evidence of such science as in so call " Climate Change" As you look thru the History especially in the last 50 years the propaganda has gone from Global cooling to Global warming now Climate Change its as tho you simpletons continue to change the dialog to fit your narrative And most of all “The ‘97% consensus’ has been so debunk but you simpletons continue to use. Too the majority of gov't scientist who relish the gov't funding will do or say anything to get that money and its all done by computer manipulation not facts So go ahead and get your mask on and have at it, prove to yourself how simple minded and so easy deceived!!
Even if God is responsible for the weather there is no way that after this many years he hasn't implemented some kind of automation which we could still fuck up by fucking with the inputs.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
Oh the brain washing continues from the Marxist of this country fact is they dont know what facts mean. I find it Ironically one who is so brilliant as Obama to use the term "flat earthers" when in fact their science was totally base on consensus and not facts but alas the left doesnt deal in facts only propaganda. Fact is theres no evidence of such science as in so call " Climate Change" As you look thru the History especially in the last 50 years the propaganda has gone from Global cooling to Global warming now Climate Change its as tho you simpletons continue to change the dialog to fit your narrative And most of all “The ‘97% consensus’ has been so debunk but you simpletons continue to use. Too the majority of gov't scientist who relish the gov't funding will do or say anything to get that money and its all done by computer manipulation not facts So go ahead and get your mask on and have at it, prove to yourself how simple minded and so easy deceived!!
No Idea if this is satire or not
Ughhhhh. Well surely even the Trump-supporters/ conservatives in this thread agree that Jim Inhofe is a moron and that climate change is a real concern that we need to address... right?
The Democratic attorneys general of New York and Massachusetts are refusing to comply with House Republicans’ subpoena over their climate change investigations.
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey wrote letters to House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) Tuesday saying that the subpoenas issued this month fall outside of the panel’s authority and violate their states’ rights.
In a letter to Smith, Schneiderman’s counsel Leslie Dubeck called his subpoena an “unprecedented effort to target ongoing state law enforcement” operation and said that if enforced, it would “would have the obvious consequence of interfering” when Schneiderman’s investigation into whether Exxon Mobil Corp. illegally lied about what it knew about climate change. “The subpoena brings us one step closer to a protracted, unnecessary legal confrontation, which will only distract and detract from the work of our respective offices,” Dubeck said.
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
Richard Johnston, chief legal counsel to Healey, wrote that she “objects to the subpoena as an unconstitutional and unwarranted interference with a legitimate ongoing state investigation,” and “a dangerous overreach by the committee and an affront to states’ rights.”
He said that Smith and his colleagues ignored Healey’s offer to discuss the issue, as well as her objections to his authority and assertions that the documents are privileged.
“This sequence of events suggest that the majority had no intention of considering the substance of Attorney General Healey’s objections.”
Wednesday is the deadline Smith gave Schneiderman, Healey and numerous environmental groups to respond to wide-ranging subpoenas about their Exxon investigations.
roflmao, the irony of state AGs telling Congress a subpoena is outside Congress's authority when their entire investigation is an illegitimate affront to the first amendment, an attempt to use the coercive power of government to stop the expression of opinions the government does not like. because the issue is just TOO IMPORTANT.
what other issues are TOO IMPORTANT to allow people and organizations to exercise free speech regarding them?
Fraud and free speech have very little to do with each other. Companies are allowed to express their opinion. And the states are allowed to investigate fraud. The federal government can come for our AG, she is doing what we pay her for.
You pay your state AG to violate the first amendment?
I'm glad you agree that someone should come after your state AG, because your state AG should be in jail for civil rights violations.
The argument that they are investigating fraud and not trying to chill free speech is laughable. It is based on the very tenuous premise that global warming will significantly harm these companies in the future, so their "denial" of it in the past and today will harm shareholders in the future, and they know this, so they are committing fraud to line their pockets in the past and today, and thus leave their shareholders in the future with nothing.
That might be plausible but certainly not in the sense of justifying legal prosecution. You can't legally prove harm that hasn't happened just because you really, really, really, really believe it will happen.
It's astonishing that with all the controversy over global warming that has been a huge issue for 25 years, no one thought to do this before the last year if it is so cut and dried justifiable. It's political coercion by the government to chill the right to free speech and association. You better not vigorously oppose the government or you're gonna get subpoena'd out the ass and threatened with prosecution and generally harassed and obstructed by the agents of the state. They did it in Wisconsin before they got slapped down and their entire unconstitutional apparatus dismantled, they did it with the IRS and Tea Party groups (still haven't managed to find a single left-wing group that had its application for tax-free status delayed or had the IRS demand its membership and donor lists or copies of its emails), they're doing it now with these authoritarian investigations and their subpoenas.
Maybe some Republican state AGs or Trump once he wins can start some investigations into companies that advocate wealth redistribution and other socialist policies since the evidence is solid that socialism is a fraud that significantly harms human civilization everywhere it is attempted. Far more solid than the evidence that global warming will significantly harm human civilization. I'm sure you'll agree that we need to stamp out this fraud being perpetrated on shareholders by, say, Ben & Jerry's, because my opinion is now fact and yours is now fraud. Or perhaps Unilever since Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's. In fact, the rather unique ownership agreement between Unilever and Ben & Jerry's could be a way to shield Unilever from the legal consequences of Ben & Jerry's fraudulent statements and activities and that is simply unacceptable. Corporations can't shield themselves from the consequences of fraud by putting up a legal wall between themselves and their subsidiaries. Now all this is true because I said so and can point to evidence that seemingly backs up my opinion but really does not and in no way justifies my allegation that your political opinion or Ben & Jerry's political opinions are legally fraud.
Which is why the government has no business getting involved in political opinions.
Oh, you don’t believe in climate change or think its up for debate? My bad. Carry on. The government is coming for you and your ability to deny science to the extent that it will harm others.
Feels before science.
Prove the harm.
You can't.
Show me where in the Constitution, federal or state, or in any criminal statute, federal or state, that "deny[ing] science" (which is an opinion, that someone is "deny[ing] science") is a crime.
You can't.
Again.
You are the one putting your feels before the law. Your feels about "science." You want to be able to investigate and potentially prosecute based on your feels of future harm. There is zero evidence that scientific predictions about the future re: global warming are accurate. How could there be? Only the future can provide such evidence. Any half-decent lawyer would demolish in court a contention that scientific predictions are a valid basis for legal action simply by pointing out how often the climate change models have been revised, or by pointing to the long and extensive history of accepted science or specific scientific predictions on a matter being later proven to be incorrect.
Provide your time machine and I'll drop my objections.
You can't.
Again.
Your elevation of "science" to the position formerly occupied by God in society is not wise.
On July 28 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote: where the heck does free speech come into this? the AG is investigating exxon mobile and they want to be able to carry on without interference. in addition:
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
seems pretty reasonable to me.
Not if you think that climate change isn't real or fact. Then they are suppressing free.....
I can't fucking do it.
Where did you get the idea that you can punish people legally for not agreeing with what you or any number of people deem "science" and "fact"? Isn't that an appeal to experts and an appeal to the majority?
You know what nevermind, I can't fucking do it either. You will never see the dangerous implications of what you're saying. Hope you're never on the wrong end of someone in authority declaring that your opinions go against "science," thus you are a bad bad boy who needs disciplined.
And I say "science" not to suggest global warming science isn't science, but because most scientists would not recognize what you are holding up as science. There is no such certainty in science not even in global warming science. There is no such retributive urge against heretics in science, not to the degree of prosecution, not generally. Despite some global warming scientists advocating legal liability including criminal for "deniers," most do not. What you are holding up is politics cloaked as science.
On July 28 2016 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Donald Trump said that Hillary Clinton's runningmate, Tim Kaine, did an awful job as governor of New Jersey.
Unfortunately for Trump, Tim Kaine never was governor (or any elected official) of New Jersey; it turns out that Trump was talking about fellow Republican and ex-governor of New Jersey, Thomas Kean.
Well done, Trump.
He's basically just a (possibly) rich, (definitely) orange version of Sarah Palin.
If you had actually watched the press conference you would know Trump corrected himself almost immediately but I doubt that that would make a difference to you.
Because he got called out, just like he backtracks with everything else he says that's clearly stupid (e.g., women should be punished for legally aborting a fetus). He got caught. He just makes blanket statements that X is awful and Y is unpopular without actually thinking about what he says or adding any evidence to his claim, so he deserves to be scrutinized when he makes dumb or unjustified comments.
Around the 50 minute mark. It was obviously a momentary lapse and he certainly didn't say Thomas Kean. These things happen when hold 3 rallies a day and are constantly speaking.
I'm sure Clinton would have these same problems too if she actually held press conferences or was asked questions, she is entering her 236 day of preparing for one so I'm sure she will get it right.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
yes. I love this gem from the comment section of the article
Oh the brain washing continues from the Marxist of this country fact is they dont know what facts mean. I find it Ironically one who is so brilliant as Obama to use the term "flat earthers" when in fact their science was totally base on consensus and not facts but alas the left doesnt deal in facts only propaganda. Fact is theres no evidence of such science as in so call " Climate Change" As you look thru the History especially in the last 50 years the propaganda has gone from Global cooling to Global warming now Climate Change its as tho you simpletons continue to change the dialog to fit your narrative And most of all “The ‘97% consensus’ has been so debunk but you simpletons continue to use. Too the majority of gov't scientist who relish the gov't funding will do or say anything to get that money and its all done by computer manipulation not facts So go ahead and get your mask on and have at it, prove to yourself how simple minded and so easy deceived!!
No Idea if this is satire or not
Ughhhhh. Well surely even the Trump-supporters/ conservatives in this thread agree that Jim Inhofe is a moron and that climate change is a real concern that we need to address... right?
Climate Change being a Chinese lie to destroy America is a considerable part of the Trump platform. The real threat to America comes from ISIS apparently. In the last year 3 Americans were killed by ISIS but if we include the terrorist attacks done by Muslims that number goes to 66. If this rate continues then the war against ISIS could be as bad as the death toll from Vietnam in just 880 years.
The Democratic attorneys general of New York and Massachusetts are refusing to comply with House Republicans’ subpoena over their climate change investigations.
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey wrote letters to House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) Tuesday saying that the subpoenas issued this month fall outside of the panel’s authority and violate their states’ rights.
In a letter to Smith, Schneiderman’s counsel Leslie Dubeck called his subpoena an “unprecedented effort to target ongoing state law enforcement” operation and said that if enforced, it would “would have the obvious consequence of interfering” when Schneiderman’s investigation into whether Exxon Mobil Corp. illegally lied about what it knew about climate change. “The subpoena brings us one step closer to a protracted, unnecessary legal confrontation, which will only distract and detract from the work of our respective offices,” Dubeck said.
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
Richard Johnston, chief legal counsel to Healey, wrote that she “objects to the subpoena as an unconstitutional and unwarranted interference with a legitimate ongoing state investigation,” and “a dangerous overreach by the committee and an affront to states’ rights.”
He said that Smith and his colleagues ignored Healey’s offer to discuss the issue, as well as her objections to his authority and assertions that the documents are privileged.
“This sequence of events suggest that the majority had no intention of considering the substance of Attorney General Healey’s objections.”
Wednesday is the deadline Smith gave Schneiderman, Healey and numerous environmental groups to respond to wide-ranging subpoenas about their Exxon investigations.
roflmao, the irony of state AGs telling Congress a subpoena is outside Congress's authority when their entire investigation is an illegitimate affront to the first amendment, an attempt to use the coercive power of government to stop the expression of opinions the government does not like. because the issue is just TOO IMPORTANT.
what other issues are TOO IMPORTANT to allow people and organizations to exercise free speech regarding them?
Fraud and free speech have very little to do with each other. Companies are allowed to express their opinion. And the states are allowed to investigate fraud. The federal government can come for our AG, she is doing what we pay her for.
You pay your state AG to violate the first amendment?
I'm glad you agree that someone should come after your state AG, because your state AG should be in jail for civil rights violations.
The argument that they are investigating fraud and not trying to chill free speech is laughable. It is based on the very tenuous premise that global warming will significantly harm these companies in the future, so their "denial" of it in the past and today will harm shareholders in the future, and they know this, so they are committing fraud to line their pockets in the past and today, and thus leave their shareholders in the future with nothing.
That might be plausible but certainly not in the sense of justifying legal prosecution. You can't legally prove harm that hasn't happened just because you really, really, really, really believe it will happen.
It's astonishing that with all the controversy over global warming that has been a huge issue for 25 years, no one thought to do this before the last year if it is so cut and dried justifiable. It's political coercion by the government to chill the right to free speech and association. You better not vigorously oppose the government or you're gonna get subpoena'd out the ass and threatened with prosecution and generally harassed and obstructed by the agents of the state. They did it in Wisconsin before they got slapped down and their entire unconstitutional apparatus dismantled, they did it with the IRS and Tea Party groups (still haven't managed to find a single left-wing group that had its application for tax-free status delayed or had the IRS demand its membership and donor lists or copies of its emails), they're doing it now with these authoritarian investigations and their subpoenas.
Maybe some Republican state AGs or Trump once he wins can start some investigations into companies that advocate wealth redistribution and other socialist policies since the evidence is solid that socialism is a fraud that significantly harms human civilization everywhere it is attempted. Far more solid than the evidence that global warming will significantly harm human civilization. I'm sure you'll agree that we need to stamp out this fraud being perpetrated on shareholders by, say, Ben & Jerry's, because my opinion is now fact and yours is now fraud. Or perhaps Unilever since Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's. In fact, the rather unique ownership agreement between Unilever and Ben & Jerry's could be a way to shield Unilever from the legal consequences of Ben & Jerry's fraudulent statements and activities and that is simply unacceptable. Corporations can't shield themselves from the consequences of fraud by putting up a legal wall between themselves and their subsidiaries. Now all this is true because I said so and can point to evidence that seemingly backs up my opinion but really does not and in no way justifies my allegation that your political opinion or Ben & Jerry's political opinions are legally fraud.
Which is why the government has no business getting involved in political opinions.
Oh, you don’t believe in climate change or think its up for debate? My bad. Carry on. The government is coming for you and your ability to deny science to the extent that it will harm others.
Feels before science.
Prove the harm.
You can't.
Show me where in the Constitution, federal or state, or in any criminal statute, federal or state, that "deny[ing] science" (which is an opinion, that someone is "deny[ing] science") is a crime.
You can't.
Again.
You are the one putting your feels before the law. Your feels about "science." You want to be able to investigate and potentially prosecute based on your feels of future harm. There is zero evidence that scientific predictions about the future re: global warming are accurate. How could there be? Only the future can provide such evidence. Any half-decent lawyer would demolish in court a contention that scientific predictions are a valid basis for legal action simply by pointing out how often the climate change models have been revised, or by pointing to the long and extensive history of accepted science or specific scientific predictions on a matter being later proven to be incorrect.
Provide your time machine and I'll drop my objections.
You can't.
Again.
Your elevation of "science" to the position formerly occupied by God in society is not wise.
Are you saying that the concept of "predicting things based on evidence" does not exist, lmao
You heard it here people, physics is obviously only about the past, because to say something about the future it would have already needed to happen. This might legitimately be the stupidest post on TL
The Democratic attorneys general of New York and Massachusetts are refusing to comply with House Republicans’ subpoena over their climate change investigations.
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey wrote letters to House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) Tuesday saying that the subpoenas issued this month fall outside of the panel’s authority and violate their states’ rights.
In a letter to Smith, Schneiderman’s counsel Leslie Dubeck called his subpoena an “unprecedented effort to target ongoing state law enforcement” operation and said that if enforced, it would “would have the obvious consequence of interfering” when Schneiderman’s investigation into whether Exxon Mobil Corp. illegally lied about what it knew about climate change. “The subpoena brings us one step closer to a protracted, unnecessary legal confrontation, which will only distract and detract from the work of our respective offices,” Dubeck said.
She offered to meet with Smith or his staff to discuss the committee’s requests, though she asked that representatives of the Democrats on the panel, led by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), be present as well.
Richard Johnston, chief legal counsel to Healey, wrote that she “objects to the subpoena as an unconstitutional and unwarranted interference with a legitimate ongoing state investigation,” and “a dangerous overreach by the committee and an affront to states’ rights.”
He said that Smith and his colleagues ignored Healey’s offer to discuss the issue, as well as her objections to his authority and assertions that the documents are privileged.
“This sequence of events suggest that the majority had no intention of considering the substance of Attorney General Healey’s objections.”
Wednesday is the deadline Smith gave Schneiderman, Healey and numerous environmental groups to respond to wide-ranging subpoenas about their Exxon investigations.
roflmao, the irony of state AGs telling Congress a subpoena is outside Congress's authority when their entire investigation is an illegitimate affront to the first amendment, an attempt to use the coercive power of government to stop the expression of opinions the government does not like. because the issue is just TOO IMPORTANT.
what other issues are TOO IMPORTANT to allow people and organizations to exercise free speech regarding them?
Fraud and free speech have very little to do with each other. Companies are allowed to express their opinion. And the states are allowed to investigate fraud. The federal government can come for our AG, she is doing what we pay her for.
You pay your state AG to violate the first amendment?
I'm glad you agree that someone should come after your state AG, because your state AG should be in jail for civil rights violations.
The argument that they are investigating fraud and not trying to chill free speech is laughable. It is based on the very tenuous premise that global warming will significantly harm these companies in the future, so their "denial" of it in the past and today will harm shareholders in the future, and they know this, so they are committing fraud to line their pockets in the past and today, and thus leave their shareholders in the future with nothing.
That might be plausible but certainly not in the sense of justifying legal prosecution. You can't legally prove harm that hasn't happened just because you really, really, really, really believe it will happen.
It's astonishing that with all the controversy over global warming that has been a huge issue for 25 years, no one thought to do this before the last year if it is so cut and dried justifiable. It's political coercion by the government to chill the right to free speech and association. You better not vigorously oppose the government or you're gonna get subpoena'd out the ass and threatened with prosecution and generally harassed and obstructed by the agents of the state. They did it in Wisconsin before they got slapped down and their entire unconstitutional apparatus dismantled, they did it with the IRS and Tea Party groups (still haven't managed to find a single left-wing group that had its application for tax-free status delayed or had the IRS demand its membership and donor lists or copies of its emails), they're doing it now with these authoritarian investigations and their subpoenas.
Maybe some Republican state AGs or Trump once he wins can start some investigations into companies that advocate wealth redistribution and other socialist policies since the evidence is solid that socialism is a fraud that significantly harms human civilization everywhere it is attempted. Far more solid than the evidence that global warming will significantly harm human civilization. I'm sure you'll agree that we need to stamp out this fraud being perpetrated on shareholders by, say, Ben & Jerry's, because my opinion is now fact and yours is now fraud. Or perhaps Unilever since Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's. In fact, the rather unique ownership agreement between Unilever and Ben & Jerry's could be a way to shield Unilever from the legal consequences of Ben & Jerry's fraudulent statements and activities and that is simply unacceptable. Corporations can't shield themselves from the consequences of fraud by putting up a legal wall between themselves and their subsidiaries. Now all this is true because I said so and can point to evidence that seemingly backs up my opinion but really does not and in no way justifies my allegation that your political opinion or Ben & Jerry's political opinions are legally fraud.
Which is why the government has no business getting involved in political opinions.
Oh, you don’t believe in climate change or think its up for debate? My bad. Carry on. The government is coming for you and your ability to deny science to the extent that it will harm others.
Feels before science.
Prove the harm.
You can't.
Show me where in the Constitution, federal or state, or in any criminal statute, federal or state, that "deny[ing] science" (which is an opinion, that someone is "deny[ing] science") is a crime.
You can't.
Again.
You are the one putting your feels before the law. Your feels about "science." You want to be able to investigate and potentially prosecute based on your feels of future harm. There is zero evidence that scientific predictions about the future re: global warming are accurate. How could there be? Only the future can provide such evidence. Any half-decent lawyer would demolish in court a contention that scientific predictions are a valid basis for legal action simply by pointing out how often the climate change models have been revised, or by pointing to the long and extensive history of accepted science or specific scientific predictions on a matter being later proven to be incorrect.
Provide your time machine and I'll drop my objections.
You can't.
Again.
Your elevation of "science" to the position formerly occupied by God in society is not wise.
Are you saying that the concept of "predicting things based on evidence" does not exist, lmao
Don’t be mean and tread on his feelings. He feels that climate change isn’t real and will only accept a time machine as evidence. Feelings before science.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
yes. I love this gem from the comment section of the article
Oh the brain washing continues from the Marxist of this country fact is they dont know what facts mean. I find it Ironically one who is so brilliant as Obama to use the term "flat earthers" when in fact their science was totally base on consensus and not facts but alas the left doesnt deal in facts only propaganda. Fact is theres no evidence of such science as in so call " Climate Change" As you look thru the History especially in the last 50 years the propaganda has gone from Global cooling to Global warming now Climate Change its as tho you simpletons continue to change the dialog to fit your narrative And most of all “The ‘97% consensus’ has been so debunk but you simpletons continue to use. Too the majority of gov't scientist who relish the gov't funding will do or say anything to get that money and its all done by computer manipulation not facts So go ahead and get your mask on and have at it, prove to yourself how simple minded and so easy deceived!!
No Idea if this is satire or not
Ughhhhh. Well surely even the Trump-supporters/ conservatives in this thread agree that Jim Inhofe is a moron and that climate change is a real concern that we need to address... right?
Yes, and unlike Trump, I would think it's probably a better idea to invest in wind/solar even if the payoff won't be for a longer period of time. Trump did say he wants clean air/water a couple days ago.
Climate change denier Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) is in the news again denying climate change “brainwashng” in the schools.
The senator, speaking last week on the syndicated Eric Metaxas radio show, said his granddaughter once asked him, “Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?”
Here’s the full quote:
"You know, our kids are being brainwashed? I never forget because I was the first one back in 2002 to tell the truth about the global warming stuff and all of that. And my own granddaughter came home one day and said “Popi — see “I” is for Inhofe, so it’s Momi and Popi, okay? — Popi, why is it you don’t understand global warming?” I did some checking and Eric, the stuff that they teach our kids nowadays, you have to un-brainwash them when they get out."
Inhofe, chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, has long denied the existence of human-induced climate change, blaming instead divine providence for weather events.
yes. I love this gem from the comment section of the article
Oh the brain washing continues from the Marxist of this country fact is they dont know what facts mean. I find it Ironically one who is so brilliant as Obama to use the term "flat earthers" when in fact their science was totally base on consensus and not facts but alas the left doesnt deal in facts only propaganda. Fact is theres no evidence of such science as in so call " Climate Change" As you look thru the History especially in the last 50 years the propaganda has gone from Global cooling to Global warming now Climate Change its as tho you simpletons continue to change the dialog to fit your narrative And most of all “The ‘97% consensus’ has been so debunk but you simpletons continue to use. Too the majority of gov't scientist who relish the gov't funding will do or say anything to get that money and its all done by computer manipulation not facts So go ahead and get your mask on and have at it, prove to yourself how simple minded and so easy deceived!!
No Idea if this is satire or not
Ughhhhh. Well surely even the Trump-supporters/ conservatives in this thread agree that Jim Inhofe is a moron and that climate change is a real concern that we need to address... right?
Climate Change being a Chinese lie to destroy America is a considerable part of the Trump platform. The real threat to America comes from ISIS apparently. In the last year 3 Americans were killed by ISIS but if we include the terrorist attacks done by Muslims that number goes to 66. If this rate continues then the war against ISIS could be as bad as the death toll from Vietnam in just 880 years.
Sounds like we should be more concerned with this Chinese lie thing then :/
On July 28 2016 04:31 TheYango wrote: And either way, attacking Kaine isn't really a smart way for Trump to go about things regardless. Hillary has enough of her own problems worth attacking her on that it's best to stay away from things that would make people look at how shitty his own VP pick is.
Think its not a bad idea to go after kaine. The choice for kaine did disappoint quiet a few democrats,if the republicans can manage to cast doubts about him during the next few weeks then that wound might stay open.
I'm trying to decide whether all of you who are shitting on DEB's point are dishonest or inept. His ultimate point truly has nothing to do with whether man-made global warming is real or not, but y'all just can't help yourselves but argue over that red herring.
Here's a novel idea. If y'all truly believe in the intellectual superiority of your position, then why not let the court of public opinion sort things out instead of using the force of government to prosecute people who disagree with you? Of course, if you disagree with this approach, feel free to openly declare that y'all are a bunch of fascists.
EPT
