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Introvert
United States5029 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I tried to get them to rename their slogan to fair and balanced like plansix There is nothing fair or balanced about me. I have my views and I will freely express and articulate them. I am biased toward what I feel is the best for the country and people in it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46450 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:07 Plansix wrote: It is. It just isn’t a full story yet. It needs time to develop. I think the DNC will be in the limelight this week, and afterwards the only thing people will care about in regards to Hillary's e-mail is that "hidden e-mail = bad" and no other context or nuance. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:04 Doodsmack wrote: I get you don't want attention to be diverted from the content of the emails but I find it hard to believe you wouldn't think Russian intervention in our election is a big deal. First, it is entirely speculative that the Russian government sanctioned this. I'll wait for the intelligence report before I make any conclusions. Second, it doesn't really surprise me that the Russians may be stirring up shit using the same tactics that our own intelligence services use. Third, and most importantly, it's not like this stuff is a bunch of baseless propaganda that's being spread around. Whoever did this has done a tremendous service to the Democrat Party and country as a whole. I understand the need for Hillary and her cohort to deflect the damning content of the emails, but what they should be doing is spending more time owning up to some big mistakes that have been made so as to satisfy the progressive wing of the party. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46450 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:09 Introvert wrote: Stewart and Colbert are audience ego strokers, not comedians. Or at least, not very good ones. That's why they are popular. And the views of people who could be generously lumped into "entertainment" are generally liberal, at least outwardly. But that's a discussion for another time. They're both absolutely comedians o.O You can't even argue otherwise lol And for what it's worth, if a comedian isn't pandering to an audience and giving them a good time, then they certainly won't be a very successful comedian  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think the DNC will be in the limelight this week, and afterwards the only thing people will care about in regards to Hillary's e-mail is that "hidden e-mail = bad" and no other context or nuance. I fear that as well. The unclear and nebulous influence of a Russian hack of a political parties private correspondence isn’t that sexy and doesn’t feed right v left pro-wrestling match. But NPR and the WSJ will cover it hopefully. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:08 zeo wrote: By the time the media admits they have no evidence of Russia's involvement the emails will be old news (to the people with short attention spans). How convenient. But there are still many more email dumps to go, wonder what they will come up with next time  Not sure why you would choose to disbelieve the Russia story. I get you want the emails to be a big story. But they can both be big stories. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8187 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:03 xDaunt wrote: How about 4) They understand that the real story is in the content of the emails? If it is the Kremlin that ordered that leak, then the story from those emails content is absolutely nothing compared to the fact that one of the most obstinate adversary of the United States thinks it is in their best interest to have Trump winning and that they are ready to use their secret services to make it become a reality. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:10 xDaunt wrote: First, it is entirely speculative that the Russian government sanctioned this. I'll wait for the intelligence report before I make any conclusions. Second, it doesn't really surprise me that the Russians may be stirring up shit using the same tactics that our own intelligence services use. Third, and most importantly, it's not like this stuff is a bunch of baseless propaganda that's being spread around. Whoever did this has done a tremendous service to the Democrat Party and country as a whole. I understand the need for Hillary and her cohort to deflect the damning content of the emails, but what they should be doing is spending more time owning up to some big mistakes that have been made so as to satisfy the progressive wing of the party. So if there were news reports that Russia had hacked the RNC in a similar manner, you would be all "hey let's wait for that intelligence report we won't get and it's for the good of the country anyway". In other words, you would feel that Russia trying to influence our election is NBD. I'm skeptical. EDIT: and you also are glad Snowden did a service to the country, I presume. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I also woudln't want to chagne my vote based on what Russia wants; especially given how confusing the mind-games in intel services can be. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46450 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:15 Doodsmack wrote: So if there were news reports that Russia had hacked the RNC in a similar manner, you would be all "hey let's wait for the intelligence report we won't get and it's for the good of the country anyway". I'm skeptical. Let's just presume that the FBI holds a press conference this afternoon and says conclusively that the Russians are responsible for the hack. What exactly does that change? Hillary gets an additional talking point (Putin fears me [which is laughable for its own reasons]), but that's it. And for the record, I've already stated that the RNC is guilty of the exact same thing that the DNC has been caught redhanded doing, so I'm not sure what you want from me. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8187 Posts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-convention-anti-clinton-protests_us_57968405e4b02d5d5ed2979f Oh well, 20 something revolutionaries never ever cared about what politics is about (life of people) and the real world. Still sad to see the far left deploying so much energy to put the most far right candidate in a century in power. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:13 Biff The Understudy wrote: If it is the Kremlin that ordered that leak, then the story from those emails content is absolutely nothing compared to the fact that one of the most obstinate adversary of the United States thinks it is in their best interest to have Trump winning and that they are ready to use their secret services to make it become a reality. Did Russia make the DNC write those emails? Did Russia make the DNC shady as fuck? You're grasping at straws. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10953 Posts
Thats not a straw, thats a big deal. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:10 xDaunt wrote: First, it is entirely speculative that the Russian government sanctioned this. I'll wait for the intelligence report before I make any conclusions. Second, it doesn't really surprise me that the Russians may be stirring up shit using the same tactics that our own intelligence services use. Third, and most importantly, it's not like this stuff is a bunch of baseless propaganda that's being spread around. Whoever did this has done a tremendous service to the Democrat Party and country as a whole. I understand the need for Hillary and her cohort to deflect the damning content of the emails, but what they should be doing is spending more time owning up to some big mistakes that have been made so as to satisfy the progressive wing of the party. In fairness, even the DNC has been better on this than the posters here. I love how they still are skeptical/rationalizing Bill but they are taking a bunch of supposition as fact on this Russian thing. I'm not really seeing how saying there is a "bromance" explains how Putin would benefit from a Trump presidency over Clinton either? If Hillary is a continuation of Obama's FP (probably more hawkish), Putin doesn't seem to have any major concerns. On July 27 2016 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seems like the Berniebros idiots keep trying as hard as possible to put Trump in the White House. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-convention-anti-clinton-protests_us_57968405e4b02d5d5ed2979f Oh well, 20 something revolutionaries never ever cared about what politics is about (life of people) and the real world. Still sad to see the far left deploying so much energy to put the most far right candidate in a century in power. lol. There's a difference between protesting against Hillary being nominated and for Trump winning. Folks who have given in to the notion that it's a zero-sum binary choice are one of the reasons folks have to take to the street in the first place. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:18 xDaunt wrote: Let's just presume that the FBI holds a press conference this afternoon and says conclusively that the Russians are responsible for the hack. What exactly does that change? Hillary gets an additional talking point (Putin fears me [which is laughable for its own reasons]), but that's it. And for the record, I've already stated that the RNC is guilty of the exact same thing that the DNC has been caught redhanded doing, so I'm not sure what you want from me. I guess we could say it doesn't change much in terms of who we're going to vote for, but the fact remains Russia tried to influence our election. Which is a big deal for the media to cover. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Biff and Plansix, I feel like it's really easy to spin the "Russia played a part in the release of Hillary's e-mails" idea into "Hillary's e-mails were awful and we should be relieved that Russia has helped us see that the Democrats have a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad political candidate." It'll appeal to the people who are supporting Trump, anyway, so I don't see much of a change occurring from that story. I agree, I could see it going a lot of ways. Including one where people are very upset that another nation is trying to influence our election and their vote. But it could just die out too. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:19 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seems like the Berniebros idiots keep trying as hard as possible to put Trump in the White House. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-convention-anti-clinton-protests_us_57968405e4b02d5d5ed2979f Oh well, 20 something revolutionaries never ever cared about what politics is about (life of people) and the real world. Still sad to see the far left deploying so much energy to put the most far right candidate in a century in power. If that's what you think it is about you are incredibly naive. It is more similar to the 60s in trying to bring about real change, politics as usual has reached a new high in corruption and needs to be cut down to size again. Is it worth having 1 trump to have a better system down the line? Possibly. If you want to have no backbone and "fall in line" then be our guest, but don't tell other people they are idiots because they aren't a sheep like you. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 27 2016 00:09 Introvert wrote: Stewart and Colbert are audience ego strokers, not comedians. Or at least, not very good ones. That's why they are popular. And the views of people who could be generously lumped into "entertainment" are generally liberal, at least outwardly. But that's a discussion for another time. Honestly I like what they do as much as the next guy, I have some good laughs watching their shit, but it's not really fair or informative. They rip on Republicans / Trump as hard as fuck but email scandals / leaks? Not a word? Come on.. Also Colbert makes me think he does coke the way he scratches his nose, not sure if that's on purpose or. Still, when you consider how dumb Trump being president would be, I guess it's OK | ||
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