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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 26 2016 04:17 GMT
#89441
Hillary has a lawmaking record that is overwhelmingly liberal (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/), how is she unprincipled?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:18:28
July 26 2016 04:17 GMT
#89442
On July 26 2016 13:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump says what he wants without outside influence, that's his principle I was referring to

Personally, I'll take (edit: a hypothetical) full-Shillary over whatever Trump feels like doing from one day to the next.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 26 2016 04:19 GMT
#89443
On July 26 2016 13:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Clinton just hit new record lows in her trustworthy and honesty ratings.68% now view her untrustworthy/30% trustworthy.Trump at 43% trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/4-brutal-poll-numbers-that-greet-hillary-clinton-at-the-democratic-national-convention/

30% find Clinton honest and trustworthy. She must love the poorly educated.
© Current year.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:22:28
July 26 2016 04:20 GMT
#89444
Trump would endorse or put his name on anything if someone paid him for it. If people think he isn't influenced by others or financial gain, he is a better con-man than I have given him credit for.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 26 2016 04:20 GMT
#89445
On July 26 2016 13:08 plasmidghost wrote:
I have no idea what Hillary believes. She hasn't had a single consistent policy in her life. Anyone can pay her and she'll vote for what they want. At least with Trump, Stein, and Johnson, they have principles and stick to them


The fact that you think Trump has principles is amusing.

The man has been caught completely contradicting himself within a matter of hours on issues. He's a compulsive liar and can't be trusted with anything.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 26 2016 04:27 GMT
#89446
On July 26 2016 13:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 13:08 plasmidghost wrote:
I have no idea what Hillary believes. She hasn't had a single consistent policy in her life. Anyone can pay her and she'll vote for what they want. At least with Trump, Stein, and Johnson, they have principles and stick to them


The fact that you think Trump has principles is amusing.

The man has been caught completely contradicting himself within a matter of hours on issues. He's a compulsive liar and can't be trusted with anything.


I don't even know if he is lying anymore or if he is just that disinterested in the details where he says what sounds good to him at the time and just doesn't give a shit if he is right or not.
Never Knows Best.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:28:49
July 26 2016 04:28 GMT
#89447
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 26 2016 04:29 GMT
#89448
On July 26 2016 12:29 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:25 plasmidghost wrote:
Donald Trump just secured the election


Why do you think so?

There's absolutely no way Bernie's supporters are voting for Hillary. I was a Berniebro and I'm never voting for the party that fucked him over so hard and it really pissed me off that they attacked his religious beliefs or lack thereof


You have a healthy sense of pride and aren't a cuck. Good work.


Coming from a cuck like you I'm not sure that's a compliment.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 04:31 GMT
#89449
On July 26 2016 13:29 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:29 biology]major wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:27 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:25 plasmidghost wrote:
Donald Trump just secured the election


Why do you think so?

There's absolutely no way Bernie's supporters are voting for Hillary. I was a Berniebro and I'm never voting for the party that fucked him over so hard and it really pissed me off that they attacked his religious beliefs or lack thereof


You have a healthy sense of pride and aren't a cuck. Good work.


Coming from a cuck like you I'm not sure that's a compliment.

Cuck-ception
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44618 Posts
July 26 2016 04:34 GMT
#89450
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.


So you were just trolling the entire time?

Who would you vote for?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 04:44 GMT
#89451
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.




my poe-dar is horrendously broken this election
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 04:45 GMT
#89452
On July 26 2016 13:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.


So you were just trolling the entire time?

Who would you vote for?

Honestly, every candidate has their good and bad policies. Boring answer, I know, but right now I'm favoring Gary Johnson
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:49:35
July 26 2016 04:45 GMT
#89453
If the Dems lose this election then they better damn sure show up during the mid terms (would be nice if they did that even if Clinton wins).

Hillary seems to be making some bad campaign missteps but I will still vote for her.

I voted for Bernie because I wanted someone to go ham on pushing for the progressive vision for the country. The way the GOP members of congress have acted the last 8 years has left a bad taste in my mouth. The left in its pathetic attempts to fight them on these things isn't much better. At least the GOP fights to win damn it. Its why No Fucks Given Obama is so good. While Clinton will talk more then she will actually do since she is about more steady change then radical ones, I still believe she will fight for that vision even if its a tamed down one.

Trump is such a mixed bag who the hell knows. He clearly isn't part of some of the douchy regressive parts of the GOP who are against the social progressive stuff but in other cases he just says shit that is either banana nut bread crazy or extremely calculating to pander to certain demographics by pushing a those darker buttons among the populace. He could even be a fine president for all we know (outside of his economic philosophy which seems to be an extension of the trickledown garbage that blows for 99% of people). Either way I wouldn't want to risk him as a president, especially since GOP controls congress atm.
Never Knows Best.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 26 2016 04:46 GMT
#89454
An unpredictable wildfire that destroyed more than a dozen houses filled skies north of Los Angeles with smoke on Monday after driving thousands from their homes.

Some evacuees were about to return home on Sunday when unexpected winds stirred up the blaze that ignited two days earlier in brush withered by days of 100F (38C) temperatures and years of drought.

The number of firefighters on the lines surged to nearly 3,000 as flames devoured heavy vegetation in rugged mountains and canyons near the fringes of the metro area.

“All the experience we’ve had with fires is out the window,” said Los Angeles County deputy fire chief John Tripp, one of many who noted the fire’s special volatility on Sunday.

More than 51 square miles were scorched and at least 18 homes destroyed since the blaze erupted on Friday.

About 10,000 homes were ordered evacuated, according to the county’s fire incident webpage. It came after a man’s burned body was found in the fire zone this weekend, a death that was under investigation.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44618 Posts
July 26 2016 04:46 GMT
#89455
On July 26 2016 13:45 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 13:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.


So you were just trolling the entire time?

Who would you vote for?

Honestly, every candidate has their good and bad policies. Boring answer, I know, but right now I'm favoring Gary Johnson


At least that's a less horrifying answer than "Obviously Trump, you filthy casual"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 26 2016 04:47 GMT
#89456
I almost took the bait plasmid
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 04:48 GMT
#89457
On July 26 2016 13:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Hillary has a lawmaking record that is overwhelmingly liberal (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/), how is she unprincipled?


i think the issue as others see it is that she (i) tailors her message to different groups (ii) has moved left (thought id argue she's basically stayed approximately the same distance left of center as the center has moved left) and (iii) is a politician
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 04:50 GMT
#89458
On July 26 2016 13:45 Slaughter wrote:
If the Dems lose this election then they better damn sure show up during the mid terms (would be nice if they did that even if Clinton wins).

Hillary seems to be making some bad campaign missteps but I will still vote for her.

I voted for Bernie because I wanted someone to go ham on pushing for the progressive vision for the country. The way the GOP members of congress have acted the last 8 years has left a bad taste in my mouth. The left in its pathetic attempts to fight them on these things isn't much better. At least the GOP fights to win dammit. Its why No Fucks Given Obama is so good. While Clinton will talk more then she will actually do since she is about more steady change then radical ones, I still believe she will fight for that vision even if its a tamed down one.

Trump is such a mixed bag who the hell knows. He clearly isn't part of some of the douchy regressive parts of the GOP who are against the social progressive stuff but in other cases he just says shit that is either banana nut bread crazy or extremely calculating to pander to certain demographics by pushing a those darker buttons among the populace. He could even be a fine president for all we know (outside of his economic philosophy which seems to be an extension of the trickledown garbage that blows for 99% of people). Either way I wouldn't want to risk him as a president, especially since GOP controls congress atm.


GOP also has Pence. Dick Cheney may need a third heart at the thought of having that sort of power as VP.

Also you take that back about banana nut bread.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 26 2016 04:51 GMT
#89459
I didn't want to go with the usual batshit crazy
Never Knows Best.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:54:44
July 26 2016 04:52 GMT
#89460
America for a long time has tried to police the world and guide what it does. I want a candidate that gets America out of its self-imposed "global police" role and focuses on fixing our quickly deteriorating infrastructure (and invest hugely into technology like S Korea did in the 90s) and social issues (can we please have honest dialogues about race relations, gender relations, etc. Actual dialogues, not bullshit like "Oh, you're MRA/SJW/BLM/white, your opinion is invalid and you're an idiot/jackass/privileged/-phobic scum" or whatever. I also want a candidate that doesn't give into the sin of identity politics and "us vs them" mentality, who sees that the government should interfere as little as possible into a person's life, as long as they are not harming others. Those are my three most important issues I care about this election cycle (although the social issues and identity politics scene are kind of the same thing)
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