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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 09:49:43
July 26 2016 08:24 GMT
#89481


What a mess.

Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 26 2016 10:42 GMT
#89482
On July 26 2016 17:24 zeo wrote:
https://twitter.com/NRSC/status/757702991306776577

Whoa whats that about?
sorry for dem one liners
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8148 Posts
July 26 2016 11:09 GMT
#89483
On July 26 2016 14:55 oBlade wrote:



What's the problem?

Putin is a horrible dictator, and Russia is not the principal foe of America. It's not mutually exclusive whatsoever. In fact both statements are quite obvious.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 26 2016 12:28 GMT
#89484
This is really ridiculous. Sarah Silverman is a complete idiot.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
July 26 2016 12:34 GMT
#89485
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 12:42:39
July 26 2016 12:36 GMT
#89486
Both Michelle and Cory had better speeches than anyone who spoke at the RNC, so yeah
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 26 2016 12:39 GMT
#89487
On July 26 2016 21:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.


Largely agreed with this.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
July 26 2016 13:00 GMT
#89488
On July 26 2016 21:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.



That's the problem that I did underestimate.
Trump has to win this race alone,he got almost no popular figures and well known politicians who will campaign for him. And even the politicians that support him,they only support him halve. Clinton has many,that much is clear now.
Maybe he can win by himself but if all the democratic vips go campaigning for Clinton I don't see how.

ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 13:18:11
July 26 2016 13:17 GMT
#89489
On July 26 2016 14:52 Introvert wrote:
But to avoid being overly negative, here is a massive, fairly detailed look at a state actually trending towards red, and may be particularly susceptible to Trump.

Show nested quote +
Given current trends, with a few tweaks to his approach, the Republican nominee could win Pennsylvania for the first time in a quarter century. In recent years, the state of Pennsylvania has been pithily described as “Lucy’s Football” — as a place where, however favorable the winds might seem, the Republican party’s aspirations are always thwarted. In this piece, I will make the case that, while this trend has certainly been apparent for the last couple of decades, it is by no means destined to continue forever. In making this case, I will look at the recent electoral history of the state, examine recent changes in voter registration, analyze demographic data provided by the U.S. Census, hone in on primary-season participation at both the county and municipal levels, and take into account recent polling (as of July 16, 2016). In so doing, I shall demonstrate that not only is Pennsylvania a rare brightening prospect for the GOP, but that it may in fact prove uniquely fitting for the party’s 2016 nominee, Donald Trump.


Why Donald Trump can win Pennsylvania- National Review


I agree with ideas, but Pennsyltucky isn't big enough to outweigh Philly, Pittsburg and other metro areas which are growing larger and more liberal. Trump's unique potential is countered by two big weaknesses: a lousy ground game (a lot of GOP gains were due to shoveling $$$'s into the state) and his abysmally low share of the minority vote.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 13:24 GMT
#89490
On July 26 2016 21:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.

I agree that the speakers were stronger both in skill and tone of the message. The lack of doom and gloom was refreshing. And the DNC has more to talk about in general, with more accomplishments under their belt for the last 8 years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 26 2016 13:55 GMT
#89491
Meanwhile, in reality, 90% of Sanders voters are planning on voting Clinton.

www.washingtonpost.com
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 14:04 GMT
#89492
The NPR politics podcast is also saying that they spoke with reasonable number of Bernie supporters who don’t agree with the booing and heckling. We will see how long they keep it up for. I sort of hope they realize that they made their point and maybe try to boo less and talk to people.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 26 2016 14:06 GMT
#89493
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?
I come in for the scraps
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
July 26 2016 14:07 GMT
#89494
On July 26 2016 22:00 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 21:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.



That's the problem that I did underestimate.
Trump has to win this race alone,he got almost no popular figures and well known politicians who will campaign for him. And even the politicians that support him,they only support him halve. Clinton has many,that much is clear now.
Maybe he can win by himself but if all the democratic vips go campaigning for Clinton I don't see how.



Well it's 100% Trump's fault too. When you make everyone your enemy by belittling and hating and spreading fear, you don't get many allies. That's why he got stuck with Mike Pence as VP; no one else wanted to be his runningmate lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 26 2016 14:09 GMT
#89495
On July 26 2016 21:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
How do you guys think the DNC vs. RNC speeches and oration have compared so far? I think the best RNC speakers were Trump's children, but not even they were anywhere near as eloquent or inspirational as Michelle Obama, and I think that Bernie's and Cory's speeches were incredibly well constructed and high tier compared to the RNC too... and this is only being able to select from the few speeches so far on day one of the DNC compared to everything the RNC had to offer. I don't know if the DNC can keep up several quality speeches each night, but barring a complete meltdown or scandal, it looks like the DNC speakers are higher quality.

They'll have some technically good speeches every day -- particularly the headliners. But the ones that will matter will be those on the last day. That's when there will be maximum eyeballs and attention. For as rough as the Republican convention was, Trump still turned it into a big win with good performances on the last night. Hillary is going to have to do the same. Ultimately, the call is to vote for her, not the people speaking before her.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 14:09 GMT
#89496
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?

You are free to PM me if you have questions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
July 26 2016 14:09 GMT
#89497
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?


I understand that that's hyperbole, but do you think all he does is shitpost? If anything, plasmidghost was the shitposter, considering he was just trolling and pasting stupid Reddit one-liners (that's what he said he was doing, anyway)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 14:13:59
July 26 2016 14:11 GMT
#89498
On July 26 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?


I understand that that's hyperbole, but do you think all he does is shitpost? If anything, plasmidghost was the shitposter, considering he was just trolling and pasting stupid Reddit one-liners (that's what he said he was doing, anyway)


GGtemplar and plansix are the main shitposters. It wasnt hyperbole. Plansix had about 150 of the 300 posts, ggtemplar probably like 75-90.

I felt like i was just reading them shitpost back and forth and everything else got drowned out.

if anyone thinks either of them wasn't shitposting, sorry but you're in an echo chamber
I come in for the scraps
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 14:12 GMT
#89499
I appreciated Plasmidghost shit posting, it made me take a step back and slow my roll for a bit. And it was funny.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 14:21:18
July 26 2016 14:15 GMT
#89500
On July 26 2016 23:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 23:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
come back to 300 posts and 150 of them are plansix shitposting lol

Do you have a job or are you paid to do this?


I understand that that's hyperbole, but do you think all he does is shitpost? If anything, plasmidghost was the shitposter, considering he was just trolling and pasting stupid Reddit one-liners (that's what he said he was doing, anyway)


GGtemplar and plansix are the main shitposters. It wasnt hyperbole. Plansix had about 150 of the 300 posts, ggtemplar probably like 75-90.

I felt like i was just reading them shitpost back and forth and everything else got drowned out.

if anyone thinks either of them wasn't shitposting, sorry but you're in an echo chamber


Eh, I guess you and I have different standards for shitposting. Quantity might reduce quality, but I still think they had plenty of quality posts too
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