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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 26 2016 04:55 GMT
#89461
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 26 2016 04:55 GMT
#89462
On July 26 2016 13:52 plasmidghost wrote:
America for a long time has tried to police the world and guide what it does. I want a candidate that gets America out of its self-imposed "global police" role and focuses on fixing our quickly deteriorating infrastructure (and invest hugely into technology like S Korea did in the 90s) and social issues (can we please have honest dialogues about race relations, gender relations, etc. Actual dialogues, not bullshit like "Oh, you're MRA/SJW/BLM/white, your opinion is invalid and you're an idiot/jackass/privileged/-phobic scum" or whatever. I also want a candidate that doesn't give into the sin of identity politics and "us vs them" mentality, who sees that the government should interfere as little as possible into a person's life, as long as they are not harming others. Those are my three most important issues I care about this election cycle (although the social issues and identity politics scene are kind of the same thing)


Well I don't think you will get #1 with Trump or Clinton.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 05:07:48
July 26 2016 05:06 GMT
#89463
Think the first day was a good day for the democrats in the end.
The email leak,it might not even hurt Clinton. Its nothing new really and it was not Clinton obstructing Bernie.
Maybe it can even help her in the end,make her look more vulnerable so people get a bit more sympathy for her. The impact over time is difficult to judge but i would not call it a complete disaster. At least now everything is out and they can move forward again.
The democratic party convention so far did look more appealing to me then the republican party convention but its just the first day.
Hillary might not be the greatest and to be fair i doubt she will do anything for bernies platform,but the rest of the party has a warm and optimistic feeling.

If trump will be elected i wonder how long he will hold office.
Am fairly certain it wont be 4 years. Impeached in 2nd year is my guess.
But that will most likely remain theoretical. Personally i do not believe in a trump victory anymore after what i have seen today. Maybe a surprise to some but we will see.

Cant beat michelle and some of the others are not to bad either. They just need to keep Hillary out of the spotlights lol
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 26 2016 05:08 GMT
#89464
Seeing how both conventions did/are doing, I think it's seriously time for the US to get new blood in politics if they want not to drown in corruption and incompetence in the next decades. Both Green and Libertarian parties need to get on a nationwide level, and both Republican and Democratic parties need to experience a schism between anti-establishment and establishment supporters.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 26 2016 05:09 GMT
#89465
The Democratic National Convention was supposed to be the flawless, slickly-produced one where the establishment struck back. Now, it threatens to devolve into a mess, maybe not as untidy as Cleveland but probably not the celebratory coronation that the Hillary Clinton campaign has spent the seven weeks since California’s primary trying to orchestrate.

Stepping on the message of unity and competence, Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned under pressure Sunday. She was forced aside after the emergence of thousands of internal emails that angered various constituencies within the party.

But the Florida congresswoman did not go quietly or without a fight. It took pressure from the White House – including a phone call with President Obama – to get her to finally see the writing on the wall. Two reliable sources say Wasserman Schultz was trying to make top aides take the fall, rather than take personal responsibility. Until the end, she struggled to understand what a lightning rod she’s become.


Source
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23311 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 05:15:51
July 26 2016 05:13 GMT
#89466
On July 26 2016 14:08 OtherWorld wrote:
Seeing how both conventions did/are doing, I think it's seriously time for the US to get new blood in politics if they want not to drown in corruption and incompetence in the next decades. Both Green and Libertarian parties need to get on a nationwide level, and both Republican and Democratic parties need to experience a schism between anti-establishment and establishment supporters.

People seem not to realize a green/third party candidate getting 15-20% aren't wasted votes, it shows that if the Hillary folks who don't really like Hillary stopped believing the propaganda we would have more than enough votes to elect someone who actually wanted to represent us.

On July 26 2016 14:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Democratic National Convention was supposed to be the flawless, slickly-produced one where the establishment struck back. Now, it threatens to devolve into a mess, maybe not as untidy as Cleveland but probably not the celebratory coronation that the Hillary Clinton campaign has spent the seven weeks since California’s primary trying to orchestrate.

Stepping on the message of unity and competence, Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned under pressure Sunday. She was forced aside after the emergence of thousands of internal emails that angered various constituencies within the party.

But the Florida congresswoman did not go quietly or without a fight. It took pressure from the White House – including a phone call with President Obama – to get her to finally see the writing on the wall. Two reliable sources say Wasserman Schultz was trying to make top aides take the fall, rather than take personal responsibility. Until the end, she struggled to understand what a lightning rod she’s become.


Source


Think getting boo'd by her own delegation this morning sealed the deal on her not opening the convention. She was fighting for that right up until this morning. The woman is clueless, and probably going to lose her seat despite having Obama and Hillary campaigning for her and her predatory lending buddies.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 05:20:44
July 26 2016 05:20 GMT
#89467
Sidenote, apparently the Teamsters are backing moderate Rob Portman in Ohio (and Portman is doing well in the polls). Looks like the GOP strategy of focusing on the House and Senate might pay off. Even though Trump will probably lose, there still might be GOP opposition in both houses. The senate will be really close, though. Holding on to some of those Tea Party wave seats (e.g. WI) will be hard in the year of Trump.

But let it be a repudiation of Trump/Trumpism.

+ Show Spoiler +
My only fear is that Trumpism won't die, we'll just hear the "we need a different messenger" line. After being told that Trump was uniquely poised to deliver that message. But that won't matter.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 26 2016 05:27 GMT
#89468
I had a good chuckle when Michelle described how it is Hillary's turn to get the nomination and have her run at the presidency after the decades of bullshit that she has had to put up with. Otherwise, the speech was full of typical, soaring, and meaningless Obama platitudes. Using the children as a foil to attack Trump was clever. Well-delivered, to be sure, and certainly far better than Hillary deserves.

And here's the really interesting question: has Hillary's team figured out that the American people will not accept that kind of speech from Hillary given how comparatively sullied she is next to the Obama's? She also doesn't have the oratorical skill to do it. She's prone to being shrill and flashing her crazy eyes in her speeches. She lacks the ability to empathetically connect with the audience (knock his speaking style all you want, but Trump does connect with people during his speeches). Frankly, I think that Hillary would do best with a very analytical speech, but I wonder whether her handlers will allow it.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 26 2016 05:28 GMT
#89469
On July 26 2016 14:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Democratic National Convention was supposed to be the flawless, slickly-produced one where the establishment struck back. Now, it threatens to devolve into a mess, maybe not as untidy as Cleveland but probably not the celebratory coronation that the Hillary Clinton campaign has spent the seven weeks since California’s primary trying to orchestrate.

Stepping on the message of unity and competence, Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned under pressure Sunday. She was forced aside after the emergence of thousands of internal emails that angered various constituencies within the party.

But the Florida congresswoman did not go quietly or without a fight. It took pressure from the White House – including a phone call with President Obama – to get her to finally see the writing on the wall. Two reliable sources say Wasserman Schultz was trying to make top aides take the fall, rather than take personal responsibility. Until the end, she struggled to understand what a lightning rod she’s become.


Source


A bitch to the bitter end. How fitting. And from what I've read over the years, DWS is a particularly nasty character.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
July 26 2016 05:52 GMT
#89470
But to avoid being overly negative, here is a massive, fairly detailed look at a state actually trending towards red, and may be particularly susceptible to Trump.

Given current trends, with a few tweaks to his approach, the Republican nominee could win Pennsylvania for the first time in a quarter century. In recent years, the state of Pennsylvania has been pithily described as “Lucy’s Football” — as a place where, however favorable the winds might seem, the Republican party’s aspirations are always thwarted. In this piece, I will make the case that, while this trend has certainly been apparent for the last couple of decades, it is by no means destined to continue forever. In making this case, I will look at the recent electoral history of the state, examine recent changes in voter registration, analyze demographic data provided by the U.S. Census, hone in on primary-season participation at both the county and municipal levels, and take into account recent polling (as of July 16, 2016). In so doing, I shall demonstrate that not only is Pennsylvania a rare brightening prospect for the GOP, but that it may in fact prove uniquely fitting for the party’s 2016 nominee, Donald Trump.


Why Donald Trump can win Pennsylvania- National Review
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 26 2016 05:54 GMT
#89471
On July 26 2016 14:28 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 14:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The Democratic National Convention was supposed to be the flawless, slickly-produced one where the establishment struck back. Now, it threatens to devolve into a mess, maybe not as untidy as Cleveland but probably not the celebratory coronation that the Hillary Clinton campaign has spent the seven weeks since California’s primary trying to orchestrate.

Stepping on the message of unity and competence, Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned under pressure Sunday. She was forced aside after the emergence of thousands of internal emails that angered various constituencies within the party.

But the Florida congresswoman did not go quietly or without a fight. It took pressure from the White House – including a phone call with President Obama – to get her to finally see the writing on the wall. Two reliable sources say Wasserman Schultz was trying to make top aides take the fall, rather than take personal responsibility. Until the end, she struggled to understand what a lightning rod she’s become.


Source


A bitch to the bitter end. How fitting. And from what I've read over the years, DWS is a particularly nasty character.

Props to the Wikileaks for succeeding where Bernie failed. Should have resigned in disgrace ages ago.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5674 Posts
July 26 2016 05:55 GMT
#89472


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42983 Posts
July 26 2016 06:03 GMT
#89473
On July 26 2016 13:45 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 13:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.


So you were just trolling the entire time?

Who would you vote for?

Honestly, every candidate has their good and bad policies. Boring answer, I know, but right now I'm favoring Gary Johnson

The good thing about third party candidates is that you can sleep in on election day and know that it didn't hurt their chances.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
July 26 2016 07:05 GMT
#89474
n July 26 2016 13:52 plasmidghost wrote:
America for a long time has tried to police the world and guide what it does. I want a candidate that gets America out of its self-imposed "global police" role and focuses on fixing our quickly deteriorating infrastructure (and invest hugely into technology like S Korea did in the 90s)

Maybe Gary Johnson is your best bet. Because that sounds more like Ron Paul or Rand Paul and Republicans wanted nothing to do with their calls to end America's global police role.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
July 26 2016 07:31 GMT
#89475
On July 26 2016 14:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 14:08 OtherWorld wrote:
Seeing how both conventions did/are doing, I think it's seriously time for the US to get new blood in politics if they want not to drown in corruption and incompetence in the next decades. Both Green and Libertarian parties need to get on a nationwide level, and both Republican and Democratic parties need to experience a schism between anti-establishment and establishment supporters.

People seem not to realize a green/third party candidate getting 15-20% aren't wasted votes, it shows that if the Hillary folks who don't really like Hillary stopped believing the propaganda we would have more than enough votes to elect someone who actually wanted to represent us.

Meh, the so called rational people will still call you inmature. You can't change that perspective because people really are this biased. I mean there is a lot of people even on this thread eating the shit that its Russia's fault that their beloved DNC got exposed, rather than their own shitty practices. Or outright downplaying it with complete dishonesty.
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
July 26 2016 07:37 GMT
#89476
On July 26 2016 15:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 13:45 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 13:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 13:28 plasmidghost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't actually believe any of that, I was just finding random comments on /r/the_donald and putting them here to see reactions that weren't part of an echo chamber. I honestly believe that Hillary is a politician just like any other, not any better or worse.


So you were just trolling the entire time?

Who would you vote for?

Honestly, every candidate has their good and bad policies. Boring answer, I know, but right now I'm favoring Gary Johnson

The good thing about third party candidates is that you can sleep in on election day and know that it didn't hurt their chances.

doesn't that apply to all individual votes in the GE?
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
July 26 2016 07:39 GMT
#89477
How bad is Trump? As an outsider, all I hear from colleagues, is mockery and a silly laugh accompanied with "that clown's gonna be head of the nukes?". Probably not how it works (regarding nukes), but you get the point. When this is mostly what I hear about him from other people, I can't help but want him to win.
From norwegian newspaper you get the idea he is the hero the american middleclass wants, take america out of wars, and seal the border. This sounds good on paper for me at least. All the negatives seems to point at some "outrageous" statements he have had. And how little I trust newspapers these days, it's probably taken out of context like with everything they do.
Is this how the average american feels as well, that causes Trump to have so much success?
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 07:44:36
July 26 2016 07:42 GMT
#89478
the concept of "average american" is incredibly questionable

pick a region/demographic to ask about

coastal/city people tend to support hillary and inland/rural people tend to support trump
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 26 2016 07:55 GMT
#89479
Also you have to take into account that for all intents and purposes, Americans only have two choices in a presidential election. Trump wasn't winning the majority of the votes in the republican primaries, (just the most), but most republicans would rather elect him than Hillary. Hillary won by a much bigger margin than Trump did, but there were dissenters, but most of them would rather she be elected than Trump. Then you have the people in the middle, who can vote either way, who are mostly favoring Hillary. Keep in mind that American voter turn out tends to be much lower in most places, and the madness of the electoral college, and talking about the average American in regards to politics is pretty dumb.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23311 Posts
July 26 2016 08:01 GMT
#89480
On July 26 2016 16:55 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Also you have to take into account that for all intents and purposes, Americans only have two choices in a presidential election. Trump wasn't winning the majority of the votes in the republican primaries, (just the most), but most republicans would rather elect him than Hillary. Hillary won by a much bigger margin than Trump did, but there were dissenters, but most of them would rather she be elected than Trump. Then you have the people in the middle, who can vote either way, who are mostly favoring Hillary. Keep in mind that American voter turn out tends to be much lower in most places, and the madness of the electoral college, and talking about the average American in regards to politics is pretty dumb.


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