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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 03:55 GMT
#89421
On July 26 2016 12:54 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

Yeah I wish more people thought vaccines caused autism. Stein is so far out there that even reasonable Sanders supporters realize shes too insane for them. Also I still love how Sanders is now failing the ideology test from his own supporters.

I don't support her either, but her criticisms of Clinton are spot-on
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 26 2016 03:55 GMT
#89422
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.
© Current year.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43554 Posts
July 26 2016 03:57 GMT
#89423
On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Read his post, he said that what Trump says, Clinton has done. Trump has said he will build a wall therefore Clinton must have done it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45265 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 03:59:16
July 26 2016 03:57 GMT
#89424
On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.


Plasmidghost said "everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point."

So it's not a matter of what Trump has already done, but what he says and wants to do. Supposedly, Hillary has already supported and done those things.

Which is obviously bullshit.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
July 26 2016 03:58 GMT
#89425
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 03:58 GMT
#89426
Listen, it makes the most sense that Trump is saying the things he says in order to be able to bargain down. He's a lifelong businessman, it's the oldest tactic in their books, make an absurd request then negotiate
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:00:58
July 26 2016 03:59 GMT
#89427
On July 26 2016 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Show nested quote +
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.

I didn't mean do, but I did mean support
Hillary supported building the border wall, and her state department destabilized North Africa and caused the deaths of thousands of Muslims
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 26 2016 03:59 GMT
#89428
On July 26 2016 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Show nested quote +
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.

Hillary Clinton wants a physical barrier. Here you go
© Current year.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 04:01 GMT
#89429
On July 26 2016 12:59 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.

Hillary Clinton wants a physical barrier. Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI

Thanks for the source, I couldn't find it since Google censors and was trying to find it on DuckDuckGo
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 04:02 GMT
#89430
On July 26 2016 12:59 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.

Hillary Clinton wants a physical barrier. Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI

Those are some noticeable edits in that video.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 04:04 GMT
#89431
This is hyperbolic, but also funny.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 04:08 GMT
#89432
I have no idea what Hillary believes. She hasn't had a single consistent policy in her life. Anyone can pay her and she'll vote for what they want. At least with Trump, Stein, and Johnson, they have principles and stick to them
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:13:00
July 26 2016 04:08 GMT
#89433
A single issue on which Clinton's opinion from more than a decade ago (I think?) has overlap with that of present-day Trump is a long way from proving the assertion that "every bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point."

(As an outsider to your country) would I personally prefer Sanders to Clinton as President? Probably yes. Do I think Clinton is particularly trustworthy? Not really. Nevertheless, she's a damn sight better than Trump. Things will probably go downhill under Clinton, but I think they would no matter which candidate was elected.

EDIT:

At least with Trump... they have principles and stick to them

What.

Serious question: is that honestly what you believe?

edit2: My understanding of Trump's position is that I have no idea whether he has principles he sticks to or not, since what he's actually saying changes all the time.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:17:39
July 26 2016 04:12 GMT
#89434
On July 26 2016 13:02 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:59 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:54 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Funny thing is, Trump hasn't done either of these things. And yes, Hillary did support building a wall on the Mexico border

On July 26 2016 12:55 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:52 Aquanim wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm glad I didn't give that piece of shit Bernie any money, he endorsed by far the worst candidate in this election


+ Show Spoiler +
He didn't endorse Trump.

Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point. Jill Stein is 100% right, I wish more people would listen to her

So Hillary has built a wall between the US and Mexico? Or banned Muslims from the country?

Neither have built a wall or banned muslims.

Yes, Trump hasn't *done* any of those things.

But then, that's not what plasmidghost said in the first place:
Just know that everything bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point.

I appreciate your point of view, but try to limit yourself to the truth. Hyperbole does not help your cause.

Hillary Clinton wants a physical barrier. Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI

Those are some noticeable edits in that video.

Ah... but she says it again!
As recently as last November!
http://www.latintimes.com/hillary-clinton-bragging-about-building-border-wall-keeping-out-illegal-immigrants-352631
© Current year.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 04:13:44
July 26 2016 04:13 GMT
#89435
On July 26 2016 13:08 Aquanim wrote:
A single issue on which Clinton's opinion from more than a decade ago (I think?) has overlap with that of present-day Trump is a long way from proving the assertion that "every bad thing Trump says, Hillary has supported and done at one point."

(As an outsider to your country) would I personally prefer Sanders to Clinton as President? Probably yes. Do I think Clinton is particularly trustworthy? Not really. Nevertheless, she's a damn sight better than Trump. Things will probably go downhill under Clinton, but I think they would no matter which candidate was elected.

EDIT:

Show nested quote +
At least with Trump... they have principles and stick to them

What.

Serious question: is that honestly what you believe?

It's some weird thing where people see bluntness as truthfullness and somehow someone being blunt means they can be trusted
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
July 26 2016 04:13 GMT
#89436
Clinton just hit new record lows in her trustworthy and honesty ratings.68% now view her untrustworthy/30% trustworthy.Trump at 43% trustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/4-brutal-poll-numbers-that-greet-hillary-clinton-at-the-democratic-national-convention/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
July 26 2016 04:14 GMT
#89437
Just wait for the convention "boost" though right? Lol!
It's chaos!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45265 Posts
July 26 2016 04:15 GMT
#89438
On July 26 2016 13:08 plasmidghost wrote:
I have no idea what Hillary believes. She hasn't had a single consistent policy in her life. Anyone can pay her and she'll vote for what they want. At least with Trump, Stein, and Johnson, they have principles and stick to them


Really? Trump, consistent? Sticks to his principles?

Let's play this out. If only we could ask...

Dear Mr. Trump,
Since the 1980s, you have made very large campaign contributions to both major parties. Furthermore, you have changed your political affiliation several times in the past 30 years, from being a member of the Democratic party, to the Republican party, to the Reform party, back to being a Democrat, then Republican, then Independent, and now finally you’re a Republican again. Why should conservative voters believe that you’re the best Republican candidate running, since you have historically switched your political affiliation so many times and even threatened to run as a third-party candidate, effectively splitting the Republican vote in half and ensuring a Democratic president? And furthermore, you backtrack your individual platforms and change your mind on a regular basis, from your stance on abortion to your stance on gay marriage. So, Mr. Trump, why the hell should we trust you?


The inevitable response:

I direct you to my communications manager and spin doctor, Mr. plasmidghost...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 26 2016 04:15 GMT
#89439
Trump says what he wants without outside influence, that's his principle I was referring to
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43554 Posts
July 26 2016 04:17 GMT
#89440
On July 26 2016 13:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Trump says what he wants without outside influence, that's his principle I was referring to

Then why are his apologists always saying "oh, that? he didn't mean that, he just had to say that to win".
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