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On July 09 2016 19:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: By the way, the green party invited Bernie to pull a Ralph Nader.
Let see if he cares at all about his country or only about himself. I don't believe he is as delusional as the Bernie or Bust Berniebros and that he thinks he could win with a green party ticket, so he knows very well that accepting means offering the key to the WH to Trump.
That's getting interesting. Especially now that he starts to really have leverage on the democratic platform and seem to really pull the party to the left.
I think the decision of his life.. Hope he doesn't fuck that up.
Bernie got no guts I am afraid. Maybe he was there just to catch the vote of the progressive people for the democrats. The pull to the left,its all fake. As soon as Clinton is in office she will start giving back all the favors she owns and everything progressive will be thrown out the window,mark my words. Bernie should run for the green party,it does not automatically give the key to trump. It just takes away the key from Hillary. My guess would be a 33/33/33 first round and after that basicly anything can happen. Bernie could even win it.
First round? You realize there is only 1 round yes? If there is no 51% winner after the election Congress gets to pick the new president and VP.
On July 09 2016 19:05 Orcasgt24 wrote: Crime in the USA is alot more violent than in France and it can be directly attributed to the easy of firearm access. Police kill criminals in armed standoffs daily and nobody cares when Joe Drug Dealer gets 4 in the chest because he got busted by the popo and decided to fight. It's why we hear about those incidents so rarely. So of course the number is gonna be a shit tonne higher.
You are right, but not only.
French gangsters also have firearms. It's just that in France an officer would NEVER kill someone unless it's absolutely necessary, because he would be accountable and put in jail if he didn't have a really really really good reason to pull the trigger.
A policeman killing a kid playing with a plastic pistol would get 20 years, and rightfully so. In America he is not even prosecuted and has the support of the right wing (white officer = good guy / black kid = not so much, he is black after all).
The same thing goes with home defense. In France, you shoot someone who enters your house, and you go to jail unless your life is directly threatened. In AMerica, someone breaks into your house, you shoot him in the back, you are a hero. Even if said guy was a drunken kid completely harmless.
It's a problem of cultural relationship to violence. And it's an enormous issue when it comes to police.
And of course, as I said, there is something about the respect to human life from the American right which is a bit weird. Life is sacred when you are a bunch of cells in a woman's womb, but from the moment you are out, it looks like it doesn't matter so much if you can be considered a "bad guy". Nobody cares if the police shoots a marijuana dealer. In France it would make the newspapers, and the officer who shot would have to explain in court how and why his life was immediately threatened.
Never laughed so hard at anything. I would be curious to see how many cases are there of 'drunken kids' entering someone's house at 4 am. The fact that in Europe we have joke laws on self-defense it's one of the reasons why right-wing is growing. Killing someone entering your house without your permit, threating the life of your family and property - yes, you are a hero. We can only learn from the US on this precise topic. Do you want me to link you articles of a burglar entering a house in Italy, the owner notices and locks him in a room while he calls the police.
The burglar reported to the police for KIDNAPPING - because he was held in a room against his will. You seriously prefer this type of country?
On July 09 2016 19:05 Orcasgt24 wrote: Crime in the USA is alot more violent than in France and it can be directly attributed to the easy of firearm access. Police kill criminals in armed standoffs daily and nobody cares when Joe Drug Dealer gets 4 in the chest because he got busted by the popo and decided to fight. It's why we hear about those incidents so rarely. So of course the number is gonna be a shit tonne higher.
You are right, but not only.
French gangsters also have firearms. It's just that in France an officer would NEVER kill someone unless it's absolutely necessary, because he would be accountable and put in jail if he didn't have a really really really good reason to pull the trigger.
A policeman killing a kid playing with a plastic pistol would get 20 years, and rightfully so. In America he is not even prosecuted and has the support of the right wing (white officer = good guy / black kid = not so much, he is black after all).
The same thing goes with home defense. In France, you shoot someone who enters your house, and you go to jail unless your life is directly threatened. In AMerica, someone breaks into your house, you shoot him in the back, you are a hero. Even if said guy was a drunken kid completely harmless.
It's a problem of cultural relationship to violence. And it's an enormous issue when it comes to police.
And of course, as I said, there is something about the respect to human life from the American right which is a bit weird. Life is sacred when you are a bunch of cells in a woman's womb, but from the moment you are out, it looks like it doesn't matter so much if you can be considered a "bad guy". Nobody cares if the police shoots a marijuana dealer. In France it would make the newspapers, and the officer who shot would have to explain in court how and why his life was immediately threatened.
Never laughed so hard at anything. I would be curious to see how many cases are there of 'drunken kids' entering someone's house at 4 am. The fact that in Europe we have joke laws on self-defense it's one of the reasons why right-wing is growing. Killing someone entering your house without your permit, threating the life of your family and property - yes, you are a hero. We can only learn from the US on this precise topic. Do you want me to link you articles of a burglar entering a house in Italy, the owner notices and locks him in a room while he calls the police.
The burglar reported to the police for KIDNAPPING - because he was held in a room against his will. You seriously prefer this type of country?
Following the devastating British inquiry into the 2003 invasion of Iraq, American veterans and their families have warned that the US is liable to repeat the mistakes without a similarly comprehensive investigation.
The UK’s Chilcot inquiry was released on Wednesday, and while it is no secret in the US that the invasion was a failure, nothing so damning as the 2.6m-word British inquiry has been released by an independent US government body.
“The Chilcot report is an example of what we could do if there was any kind of political courage to reckon with the after-effects of the global war on terror that we were pushed into,” said Matt Howard, who was deployed to Iraq twice while serving in the marine corps.
Congressional reports have shown that the US invasion was based on faulty intelligence, but none were as crushing as Chilcot, which provoked the mother of a British soldier killed in the war to declare former British prime minister Tony Blair the “world’s worst terrorist”.
The inquiry found that President George W Bush and his aides exaggerated intelligence to make a case for invading Iraq, and that planning and preparations for Iraq after Saddam were “wholly inadequate”.
“The fact that we haven’t done a report like that – and there haven’t been any moves to do that – makes it a whole hell of a lot more likely that we are going to go right down the same road and make the same mistakes we did less than 13 years ago,” said Howard.
He is now codirector of Iraq Veterans Against the War, which he joined after seeing the gap between how the war was being described by the government and the media and what was actually happening in Iraq.
On July 09 2016 19:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: By the way, the green party invited Bernie to pull a Ralph Nader.
Let see if he cares at all about his country or only about himself. I don't believe he is as delusional as the Bernie or Bust Berniebros and that he thinks he could win with a green party ticket, so he knows very well that accepting means offering the key to the WH to Trump.
That's getting interesting. Especially now that he starts to really have leverage on the democratic platform and seem to really pull the party to the left.
I think the decision of his life.. Hope he doesn't fuck that up.
Bernie got no guts I am afraid. Maybe he was there just to catch the vote of the progressive people for the democrats. The pull to the left,its all fake. As soon as Clinton is in office she will start giving back all the favors she owns and everything progressive will be thrown out the window,mark my words. Bernie should run for the green party,it does not automatically give the key to trump. It just takes away the key from Hillary. My guess would be a 33/33/33 first round and after that basicly anything can happen. Bernie could even win it.
First round? You realize there is only 1 round yes? If there is no 51% winner after the election Congress gets to pick the new president and VP.
Seriously? Oh I was not aware of that, thought it was at least 2 rounds before congress came into action. Hmm that does change the situation a bit,guess that explains why there only 2 serious candidates then. 3 serious candidates and no one would get majority->congress gets to decide. Wonder who congress would pick in this situation.not trump probably so to say Bernie gives the key to trump if he does run 3rd party is just not true.
On July 09 2016 19:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: By the way, the green party invited Bernie to pull a Ralph Nader.
Let see if he cares at all about his country or only about himself. I don't believe he is as delusional as the Bernie or Bust Berniebros and that he thinks he could win with a green party ticket, so he knows very well that accepting means offering the key to the WH to Trump.
That's getting interesting. Especially now that he starts to really have leverage on the democratic platform and seem to really pull the party to the left.
I think the decision of his life.. Hope he doesn't fuck that up.
Bernie got no guts I am afraid. Maybe he was there just to catch the vote of the progressive people for the democrats. The pull to the left,its all fake. As soon as Clinton is in office she will start giving back all the favors she owns and everything progressive will be thrown out the window,mark my words. Bernie should run for the green party,it does not automatically give the key to trump. It just takes away the key from Hillary. My guess would be a 33/33/33 first round and after that basicly anything can happen. Bernie could even win it.
First round? You realize there is only 1 round yes? If there is no 51% winner after the election Congress gets to pick the new president and VP.
Seriously? Oh I was not aware of that, thought it was at least 2 rounds before congress came into action. Hmm that does change the situation a bit,guess that explains why there only 2 serious candidates then. 3 serious candidates and no one would get majority->congress gets to decide. Wonder who congress would pick in this situation.not trump probably so to say Bernie gives the key to trump if he does run 3rd party is just not true.
while you need 270 electoral votes to win the presidency, and congress decides if this does not happen, the states themselves go to whoever wins. so a 60-40 Clinton-Trump vote could turn into a 40-30-30 Clinton-Bernie-Trump in which case Trump wins the state and all electoral votes tied to that state.
For all those who defend the slayings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile:
What do you think would be the life expectancy of a black person trying to be a "sovereign citizen", doing the things these people in these videos are doing?
What do you think would be the life expectancy of a black person trying to be a "sovereign citizen", doing the things these people in these videos are doing?
Definitelly lower than their white male's counterpart, no doubt about that. Also I am not sure anyone here has defended those killings as you make it sound.
Yeah, people across the board seemed to agree the shootings of Sterling and Castile were inexcusable. I don't see too many defending their murders even on social media. Only the total lunatics.
Well, let me put it this way: There is definitely a discoures, not a majority discourse but a discourse among conservative elements of society nontheless, saying essentially "if only he hadn't done X" or "he was a criminal thug" (as if that was something making you deserving of death). On conservative (and even surprisingly-non-conservative) subreddits. I have seen it here on TL, though not in the past few days. So all I want to say for now if you make statements of that kind, stop. It's fucking bullshit. The vast majority of people shot by the police should not have been shot, and it happens to blacks disproportionately more easily.
I'm not saying that the cops, individually, are at fault, not really (though I would assume some simply are very racist, and very triggerhappy). The problems underlying this are much deeper of course. Something samizdat noted on fb, which I had never thought about: how many cops are army veterans, who had been trained for years to shoot people on sight, who may have served for a tour or two and actually suffer from PTSD? The military trains you to not be part of civil society, to stand outside it - and yet many soldiers, returning hom, become cops, supposedly the moral center of civil society! And, as far as I know, most cops in the US have far less rigorous and frequent gun training (including gun safety training!) in the US than anywhere in Europe. It's an infrastructural problem. etc etc. but anyone who denies that racism continues to be part of the problem is being ridiculous.
On July 09 2016 23:24 OuchyDathurts wrote: Yeah, people across the board seemed to agree the shootings of Sterling and Castile were inexcusable. I don't see too many defending their murders even on social media. Only the total lunatics.
Given how many of my former high school classmates are defending the murder of Sterling on Facebook, I guess I went to school with lunatics? At least they're drawing the line at Castile, but still, my hometown is depressingly stupid.
The Sterling some people are more likely to defend. "He's got a record, he's a sex offender, etc" as if that excuses murdering him. Anyone who uses that line of thinking is a lunatic. There's always some that will defend a cop regardless of what they do, those people are lunatics as well. Then there's the out and out racists who are fine with anything involving a dead black man, again they're lunatics. You can't account for everybody but these two shootings have people calling bullshit on the police more than any I've ever seen, especially the Castile murder. I've unfriended or muted most people I consider completely devoid of reason though.
I've commented on the soldier into cop thing as well. It's troubling going from an occupier, us vs. them, surrounded by "the enemy" who you can't see position into a civilian peace officer position. Especially when you include things like PTSD, mental illness in general, and they usually get to skip a lot of actual police training. It's too easy for a person to come back with the completely wrong attitude and bring that to his hometown and that's scary.
I'm also quit etroubled by the number who've said fire control restrictions were stronger in the military than when they joined the police. That just seems wrong to me.
I agree with you on that the cops are not trained/recruited properly but the argument I was having earlier is that these things, despite the media claims, do not happen on such a large scale (ofcourse they shouldnt happen at all) as it is now percieved in public, basically as an epidemic. Ofcourse i am not sure about my claim, that is just my opinion, ive seen a lot of places where they cited numbers of how much this happens, but as it turns according to some posters here, there is no "official" numbers public so everything is left in the open. I did post a video of NY mayor on the last page in which he basically agrees with my view so there you go, someone more relevant than a random TL poster shares my view so I think it shouldnt be so easily dismissed as other posters here have.
Sen. Bernie Sanders has claimed victory in the fight for $15.
The Democrats’ platform committee late Friday approved an amendment that formalizes the party’s commitment to a $15 minimum wage, with indexing for inflation.
The language of the position reads: “We should raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour over time and index it, give all Americans the ability to join a union regardless of where they work, and create new ways for workers to have power in the economy so every worker can earn at least $15 an hour.”
Sanders throughout his campaign pushed for an increase in the minimum wage, and has vowed to have an impact on the national party’s platform. A statement from campaign spokesman Michael Briggs released Saturday said: "Sen. Bernie Sanders scored a big victory here Friday when the Democratic platform committee approved an amendment committing to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour and index it to inflation."
In addition to the minimum wage, Sanders has set his sights on rallying the party behind him in his opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
On July 09 2016 23:45 NukeD wrote: I agree with you on that the cops are not trained/recruited properly but the argument I was having earlier is that these things, despite the media claims, do not happen on such a large scale (ofcourse they shouldnt happen at all) as it is now percieved in public, basically as an epidemic. Ofcourse i am not sure about my claim, that is just my opinion, ive seen a lot of places where they cited numbers of how much this happens, but as it turns according to some posters here, there is no "official" numbers public so everything is left in the open. I did post a video of NY mayor on the last page in which he basically agrees with my view so there you go, someone more relevant than a random TL poster shares my view so I think it should be easily dismissed as other posters here have.
I agree that some of the issue is perception due to increased media coverage of such events. The most important thing imho, is to actually get official numbers, so we have a better sense of the problem. As to frequency, I only have the numbers I've heard, and my impression of their distribution, which may well be inaccurate, and is probably of little interest.
“We should raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour over time "
Don't see how this is a victory for Bernie,these are not hard promises. No time frame. If they wait 4 years with 2.5% inflation before doing this and then index from there then its already the equivalent of 13.50.
On July 10 2016 00:08 farvacola wrote: Getting the Democratic Party to commit to anything as ostensibly progressive as a minimum wage is a victory in itself.
Clinton has been campaigning on a 12 dollar min wage so its not big of a victory.
On July 10 2016 00:08 farvacola wrote: Getting the Democratic Party to commit to anything as ostensibly progressive as a minimum wage is a victory in itself.
Clinton has been campaigning on a 12 dollar min wage so its not big of a victory.
Yet another example of Sanders having a positive impact on Democrats imo
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