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On July 10 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:And what does this prove? That a police officer knows as much as a random smuck of the street? There is a reason they should be trained for years in how to deal with situations...
proves that people are specifically trained to be as paranoid as possible
reposting:
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i mean it makes sense, it's life-or-death situations in a high stress job... but leading police to err on the side of shooting at any sign of noncompliance is going to create situations where
a guy in a car, with a girlfriend and child, calmly announcing he's reaching for his wallet gets shot
because he announced properly he had a concealed carry
because the policeman forgot to follow proper procedure and firmly tell him to put his hands on the wheel so he could retrieve the gun as soon as he announced he had a concealed carry
and the policeman, seemingly not even cognizant of his own mistake, realized there was danger in allowing a man to reach for something unseen who had just announced he had a concealed carry
even though logically, there's no world in which a guy with a girlfriend and child calmly announcing he had a concealed carry and calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet was going to shoot him
that's the kind of situation where use of force training gets underrepresented in the policeman's mind and common sense and proper procedure for announcing what the driver needed to comply with was sorely lacking
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These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense.
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to be clear, i'm not saying use of force training is bad itself at all at any way... it's just not enough by itself to constitute proper training, and some police departments seem to think so, at least according to that post
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On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense.
Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot.
It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill.
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On July 10 2016 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense. Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot. It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill.
Did I in any way hint that? I was just reffering to their moronic remarks.
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On July 10 2016 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense. Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot. It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill.
in america, where everyone has guns, the police are going to kill someone over taking the chance of dying in seconds
and a big man walking towards you when your guns drawn who could potentially disarm and kill you needs to die
and because guns are common, you can't just have a tazer drawn because of range limits and unreliability
that's the reality of it
don't wanna bring up the issue of gun culture and legislation, but, i do understand where the police are coming from here, given the realities
there might be something to be said for emphasizing this as some sort of public education though
though of course there's shades of noncompliance as well... but any sort of noncompliance that looks like it could result in death of police i think are rightfully answered with lethal force
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On July 10 2016 04:35 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense. Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot. It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill. Did I in any way hint that? I was just reffering to their moronic remarks.
Sorry didn't mean it like that. Meant that to many cops seem to think that not complying is grounds for shooting someone.
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Those "would you shoot" videos are so dumb. They don't prove anything at all. Being a cop isn't like Call of Duty like those videos make it seem.
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On July 10 2016 04:38 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Those "would you shoot" videos are so dumb. They don't prove anything at all. Being a cop isn't like Call of Duty like those videos make it seem.
they prove precisely that cops are often taught to think like a disproportionate amount of people are ready to threaten their lives at a moments notice, which was my point in my first post above
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On July 10 2016 04:38 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Those "would you shoot" videos are so dumb. They don't prove anything at all. Being a cop isn't like Call of Duty like those videos make it seem.
They serve to frighten citizens into thinking that cops should be ready to kill a person at a moments notice. Which is the state of mind that shit cops want to propagate to defend their murder sprees.
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On July 10 2016 04:39 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:38 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Those "would you shoot" videos are so dumb. They don't prove anything at all. Being a cop isn't like Call of Duty like those videos make it seem. they prove precisely that cops are often taught to think like a disproportionate amount of people are ready to threaten their lives at a moments notice, which was my point in my first post above
Yeah, which is what I was getting at. It serves as propaganda more than anything. It makes it seem like 3/4 cars stops are going to shoot you. Makes cops paranoid as hell. If those videos were real it would be you approaching 100,000 cars without incident.
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The House of Representatives has passed a measure that would block US aircraft sales to Iran, potentially undercutting a Boeing deal with Tehran worth up to $25bn.
Two approved amendments to an appropriations bill from Representative Peter Roskam would ban sales from Boeing and European rival Airbus, amid concerns the aircraft could be used for military purposes, the congressman said in a statement on Friday.
One amendment would prohibit the Office of Foreign Assets Control from using funds to authorise a license necessary to allow aircraft to be sold to Iran. A second would bar loans from US financial institutions to purchase militarily adaptable aircraft.
The ban would need to be approved by the Senate or any bill that reconciles differences in legislation by the two chambers.
Roskam, an Illinois Republican, said in a tweet that in the vote on Thursday, “House Democrats did not mount any significant opposition and, in many cases, joined efforts to block the sale.”
The news comes weeks after Boeing and Iran Air confirmed a tentative deal for the sale of passenger planes, described as a landmark for normalising the difficult US-Iran relationship.
The deal, valued at up to $25bn, would be the largest between a US business and Iran since the 1979 Islamic revolution.
Boeing said it had reached a preliminary agreement with the state-owned carrier.
Source
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On July 09 2016 23:25 Surth wrote:
The vast majority of people shot by the police should not have been shot, and it happens to blacks disproportionately more easily.
Both of these statements are false.
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Well nvm.not gonna say anything about it.
Its not my country after all.
Here we love the police
Once I was stopped and didn't have seatbelt on nor license and registration with me.
Told the cops I would get it at home, 10 minutes drive. They where fine with it.
When I came back I asked them friendly if they couldn.t let it go, and to my surprise they did lol.
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On July 10 2016 05:52 pmh wrote:Well nvm.not gonna say anything about it. Its not my country after all. Here we love the police Once I was stopped and didn't have seatbelt on nor license and registration with me. Told the cops I would get it at home, 10 minutes drive. They where fine with it. When I came back I asked them friendly if they couldn.t let it go, and to my surprise they did lol.
There is a name for it and most people in US knows what it is.
Edit: that was for the statement before editing. Just to add on, having lived in many countries around the world, including some 3rd world countries. US definitely has the most high strung cops in my experience. I guess every people could possibly be armed has that effect.
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On July 10 2016 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense. Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot. It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill.
A common trend in police killings is that the dude not complying has a gun.
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On July 10 2016 04:31 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:And what does this prove? That a police officer knows as much as a random smuck of the street? There is a reason they should be trained for years in how to deal with situations... proves that people are specifically trained to be as paranoid as possible reposting: i mean it makes sense, it's life-or-death situations in a high stress job... but leading police to err on the side of shooting at any sign of noncompliance is going to create situations where a guy in a car, with a girlfriend and child, calmly announcing he's reaching for his wallet gets shot because he announced properly he had a concealed carry because the policeman forgot to follow proper procedure and firmly tell him to put his hands on the wheel so he could retrieve the gun as soon as he announced he had a concealed carry and the policeman, seemingly not even cognizant of his own mistake, realized there was danger in allowing a man to reach for something unseen who had just announced he had a concealed carry even though logically, there's no world in which a guy with a girlfriend and child calmly announcing he had a concealed carry and calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet was going to shoot him that's the kind of situation where use of force training gets underrepresented in the policeman's mind and common sense and proper procedure for announcing what the driver needed to comply with was sorely lacking
You have no evidence or really any way of knowing half of what happened. Maybe he was reaching behind his back and said that he had a gun without telling that he had a CC licence before his girlfriend shouted that he had a CC licence. Both of us have the same exact evidence to support what we're saying and can lay the blame on either person.
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On July 10 2016 06:11 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On July 10 2016 04:31 NukeD wrote:These people are all like WOW I didnt know you had to comply to what the police says. Its an eye opener! I dont know, some of us would call it common sense. Not complying with a police officer is not a reason to get shot. It can get you arrested, sure. But it is not a license to kill. A common trend in police killings is that the dude not complying has a gun.
I don't think most people even have a clue how most cops are shot.
In addition despite the increased shootings, being a cop is still safer this year than it was last year so far, the same for the year before.
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On July 10 2016 06:13 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:31 kapibara-san wrote:On July 10 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:And what does this prove? That a police officer knows as much as a random smuck of the street? There is a reason they should be trained for years in how to deal with situations... proves that people are specifically trained to be as paranoid as possible reposting: i mean it makes sense, it's life-or-death situations in a high stress job... but leading police to err on the side of shooting at any sign of noncompliance is going to create situations where a guy in a car, with a girlfriend and child, calmly announcing he's reaching for his wallet gets shot because he announced properly he had a concealed carry because the policeman forgot to follow proper procedure and firmly tell him to put his hands on the wheel so he could retrieve the gun as soon as he announced he had a concealed carry and the policeman, seemingly not even cognizant of his own mistake, realized there was danger in allowing a man to reach for something unseen who had just announced he had a concealed carry even though logically, there's no world in which a guy with a girlfriend and child calmly announcing he had a concealed carry and calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet was going to shoot him that's the kind of situation where use of force training gets underrepresented in the policeman's mind and common sense and proper procedure for announcing what the driver needed to comply with was sorely lacking You have no evidence or really any way of knowing half of what happened. Maybe he was reaching behind his back and said that he had a gun without telling that he had a CC licence before his girlfriend shouted that he had a CC licence. Both of us have the same exact evidence to support what we're saying and can lay the blame on either person.
That's the beauty of the stream, we got to see her lay out what happened and the cop refute it real time, instead of having to wait the mandatory 24+hrs for the cop to fabricate the best story he can. His story was shit. Since he wasn't wearing a body cam and the dash cam probably had a poor view of Phil it's just going to be the killers word vs hers, considering his total panic, I doubt we can believe a word he says that's uncorroborated by video.
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On July 10 2016 06:13 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2016 04:31 kapibara-san wrote:On July 10 2016 03:56 Gorsameth wrote:And what does this prove? That a police officer knows as much as a random smuck of the street? There is a reason they should be trained for years in how to deal with situations... proves that people are specifically trained to be as paranoid as possible reposting: i mean it makes sense, it's life-or-death situations in a high stress job... but leading police to err on the side of shooting at any sign of noncompliance is going to create situations where a guy in a car, with a girlfriend and child, calmly announcing he's reaching for his wallet gets shot because he announced properly he had a concealed carry because the policeman forgot to follow proper procedure and firmly tell him to put his hands on the wheel so he could retrieve the gun as soon as he announced he had a concealed carry and the policeman, seemingly not even cognizant of his own mistake, realized there was danger in allowing a man to reach for something unseen who had just announced he had a concealed carry even though logically, there's no world in which a guy with a girlfriend and child calmly announcing he had a concealed carry and calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet was going to shoot him that's the kind of situation where use of force training gets underrepresented in the policeman's mind and common sense and proper procedure for announcing what the driver needed to comply with was sorely lacking You have no evidence or really any way of knowing half of what happened. Maybe he was reaching behind his back and said that he had a gun without telling that he had a CC licence before his girlfriend shouted that he had a CC licence. Both of us have the same exact evidence to support what we're saying and can lay the blame on either person.
yea i'm gonna apply occam's razor here and say the guy who's dealt with 3 police stops a year with a girlfriend who seems also so used to such things explaining the situation calmly into a camera... that guy probably would not have posed a threat to any guy with more common sense than a trained sense of paranoia
likely did not fuck up to the extent of seeming like a legitimate life threat, and certainly not to play martyr
gonna believe the woman over the panicking idiot screaming "FUCK"
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