EPTOn July 10 2016 08:34 NukeD wrote:
Media at its finest.
Media at its finest.
What a circus rofl
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GGTeMpLaR
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biology]major
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
More in spoiler + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751990695100084225 | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24455 Posts
That cop should already be in jail. On July 10 2016 13:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: This is going on all over the country https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751921361195499520 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751924662624481280 More in spoiler + Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751990695100084225 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751987008562749440 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751986324870164480 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751982522297360384 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751971306418102272 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751969627496939520 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751968953312874496 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751963109242376192 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751959834313064448 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751957549239439360 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751954175056023553 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751952724682481664 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/751951248203603969 What's a shame is that people waited till some cops got shot before they decided to come correct to the conversation. I love the (peaceful) protests, as for the shotguns, kind of makes ya rethink open carry doesn't it? Black people using a right has a strange effect of making people second guess whether people should have it. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On July 10 2016 13:48 GreenHorizons wrote: For anyone keeping up, Philando's tail light wasn't out, which was the excuse the cop gave for pulling him over. As plansix pointed out this is a common lie cops use to provide false probable cause for a stop. That cop should already be in jail. What's a shame is that people waited till some cops got shot before they decided to come correct to the conversation. I love the protests, as for the shotguns, kind of makes ya rethink open carry doesn't it? Black people using a right has a strange effect of making people second guess whether people should have it. Reminds me of that video where they compared reactions of a white guy and a black guy walking around open carrying. | ||
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oBlade
United States6646 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On July 10 2016 14:29 oBlade wrote: I don't think their skin color or exercise of open carry are key in why those Baton Rouge tweets would be unsettling and why there might be police in riot gear. Rather, what jumps out is the brazen racialism. Nah, you can't be racist to white people. This is what a large number of young Americans actually believe. They preach it on MTV and on college campuses. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24455 Posts
On July 10 2016 14:29 oBlade wrote: I don't think their skin color or exercise of open carry are key in why those Baton Rouge tweets would be unsettling and why there might be police in riot gear. Rather, what jumps out is the brazen racialism. They're pretty much always in riot gear at these protests, and there's never not been brazen racialism coming from the police. Maybe you missed it, but people have had enough and they aren't going to take it anymore. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On July 10 2016 14:55 GreenHorizons wrote: They're pretty much always in riot gear at these protests, and there's never not been brazen racialism coming from the police. Maybe you missed it, but people have had enough and they aren't going to take it anymore. You are part of the problem. You cannot make these sweeping generalisations without qualification. What are the facts? Black people make up 25% of police shooting victims and only 13% of the population. It's disproportionate. But black people also account for over 50% of most violent crimes in the US. Disproportionate. The majority of people who open fire on police are black. Disproportionate. Black neighbourhoods are disproportionately dangerous to police while simultaneously requiring more active policing. Black gangster culture encourages hatred of the police, and violence towards police officers. It is very easy to see how these factors would result in a disproportionate number of black victims of police shootings without any requirement for racism. 3% of black victims of police shootings are unarmed. 3% of white victims of police shootings are unarmed. Proportionate. What happens when an unarmed white victim is shot by the police? Very little, because it doesn't fit the media narrative. The majority of these incidents demonstrate incompetence, anxiety and a massive over reliance on firearms by police, but I think you have some serious work to do to demonstrate that they are racist. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On July 10 2016 14:55 GreenHorizons wrote: They're pretty much always in riot gear at these protests, and there's never not been brazen racialism coming from the police. Maybe you missed it, but people have had enough and they aren't going to take it anymore. Imma give you a rundown on why cops come to protests in riot gear. They sometimes turn into riots. Its best to have a weapon/protection and not need it than need it and not have it. BTW these black lives matter protestors are accomplishing fuck all by blocking a road. So small minded. Want your message heard? Block a airport or shipping dock. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24455 Posts
On July 10 2016 15:20 bardtown wrote: You are part of the problem. You cannot make these sweeping generalisations without qualification. What are the facts? Black people make up 25% of police shooting victims and only 13% of the population. It's disproportionate. But black people also account for over 50% of most violent crimes in the US. Disproportionate. The majority of people who open fire on police are black. Disproportionate. Black neighbourhoods are disproportionately dangerous to police while simultaneously requiring more active policing. Black gangster culture encourages hatred of the police, and violence towards police officers. It is very easy to see how these factors would result in a disproportionate number of black victims of police shootings without any requirement for racism. 3% of black victims of police shootings are unarmed. 3% of white victims of police shootings are unarmed. Proportionate. What happens when an unarmed white victim is shot by the police? Very little, because it doesn't fit the media narrative. The majority of these incidents demonstrate incompetence, anxiety and a massive over reliance on firearms by police, but I think you have some serious work to do to demonstrate that they are racist. You might want to drop a source in for all that. Somehow I'm guessing it's using FBI data or something if anything. People seem to mistake "people caught, prosecuted, and convicted" with "crime committed". Just curious when you think racism stopped coming from the police? A year or decade should work fine. On July 10 2016 15:24 Orcasgt24 wrote: Imma give you a rundown on why cops come to protests in riot gear. They sometimes turn into riots. Its best to have a weapon/protection and not need it than need it and not have it. BTW these black lives matter protestors are accomplishing fuck all by blocking a road. So small minded. Want your message heard? Block a airport or shipping dock. Yeah, I mean there's something to the psychological influence of costumes but I'd think just doing their job would be a hell of a lot easier than dealing with these protests. Arresting Philando's killer would be a good start. Also airports have military protection, and docks have dock workers, you're right it would draw more attention but it's a risk reward thing. | ||
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Plansix
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On July 10 2016 15:44 GreenHorizons wrote: You might want to drop a source in for all that. Somehow I'm guessing it's using FBI data or something if anything. People seem to mistake "people caught, prosecuted, and convicted" with "crime committed". Just curious when you think racism stopped coming from the police? A year or decade should work fine. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/ ![[image loading]](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/su6001a14f.gif) I'm not saying individual police officers are never racist. Of course they are. I'm saying you don't get to just call the police racist because there are a disproportionate number of black victims when there are also a disproportionate number of black criminals. Making this a racial issue as opposed to a general issue of police conduct is a mistake. It only serves to heighten divisive tensions. The real issues at hand are not racial, they are: 1. Police incompetence/arrogance. For example in the Eric Garner case. 2. Police unaccountability. Make bodycams mandatory and actually punish police officers when they do wrong. 3. Using firearms as anything other than a last resort. This is common sense in the rest of the western world, but apparently not in the US. For example I saw a video of an officer - who had a taser - shooting dead a man holding a screwdriver at some distance. Let's be honest. When you have things like this (see video) and people shooting cops across the country, the only thing you are going to achieve is a galvinsation of the police force which will likely result in more anxiety and more innocent deaths. On July 10 2016 16:03 Plansix wrote: It's not like great civil rights leaders of the past ever blocked traffic during a protest. Especially bridges /s They didn't throw bricks, molotov cocktails and fireworks, though, did they? They probably didn't dance in front of police and mock them while their colleagues were being murdered, either. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4460 Posts
Headed for a record year of shootings.I heard 64 shootings in Chicago last weekend alone.Very little media reporting compared to these other incidents. I assume the government is provoking a race war as an excuse to expand the police state.Black v black shootings in Chicago doesn't help the racial narrative so it's hardly reported. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-12-dead-at-least-41-hurt-in-weekend-shootings-20160620-story.html 1800 people shot in Chicago up to late June.Over 200 dead from these shootings. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24455 Posts
On July 10 2016 16:14 bardtown wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2016 15:44 GreenHorizons wrote: You might want to drop a source in for all that. Somehow I'm guessing it's using FBI data or something if anything. People seem to mistake "people caught, prosecuted, and convicted" with "crime committed". Just curious when you think racism stopped coming from the police? A year or decade should work fine. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/ I'm not saying individual police officers are never racist. Of course they are. I'm saying you don't get to just call the police racist because there are a disproportionate number of black victims when there are also a disproportionate number of black criminals. Making this a racial issue as opposed to a general issue of police conduct is a mistake. It only serves to heighten divisive tensions. The real issues at hand are not racial, they are: 1. Police incompetence/arrogance. For example in the Eric Garner case. 2. Police unaccountability. Make bodycams mandatory and actually punish police officers when they do wrong. 3. Using firearms as anything other than a last resort. This is common sense in the rest of the western world, but apparently not in the US. For example I saw a video of an officer - who had a taser - shooting dead a man holding a screwdriver at some distance. Let's be honest. When you have things like this (see video) and people shooting cops across the country, the only thing you are going to achieve is a galvinsation of the police force which will likely result in more anxiety and more innocent deaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8 On July 10 2016 16:03 Plansix wrote: It's not like great civil rights leaders of the past ever blocked traffic during a protest. Especially bridges /s They didn't throw bricks, molotov cocktails and fireworks, though, did they? They probably didn't dance in front of police and mock them while their colleagues were being murdered, either. That doesn't show any of the statistics you said? Race is most definitely a part of this no matter how much people want to pretend it isn't. Yes, I remember how MLK Jr.'s peaceful protests worked so well he just got to stop and retire on all his civil rights money. One NYC video posted over and over represents all of BLM but KKK police chiefs, racist messages in departments across the country, the stopping of more young black men in NYC then there are young black men in NYC, etc... and it's just individual racists sure, but this isn't a race issue. Give me a break. On July 10 2016 16:22 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yup.The real tragedy is gang violence in Chicago (Detroit, Baltimore...) Headed for a record year of shootings.I heard 64 shootings in Chicago last weekend alone. While it is a tragedy, we aren't paying those gang members to protect the citizens in that city, police kidnapping people and taking them to black sites is a bit more of a relevant issue. Bring the drug trade above the table and you could have wealthy black owned corporations instead of gangs. You all believe in personal freedom and responsibility anyway. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On July 10 2016 16:22 GreenHorizons wrote: That doesn't show any of the statistics you said? Race is most definitely a part of this no matter how much people want to pretend it isn't. Yes, I remember how MLK Jr.'s peaceful protests worked so well he just got to stop and retire on all his civil rights money. One NYC video posted over and over represents all of BLM but KKK police chiefs, racist messages in departments across the country, the stopping of more young black men in NYC then there are young black men in NYC, etc... and it's just individual racists sure, but this isn't a race issue. Give me a break. While it is a tragedy, we aren't paying those gang members to protect the citizens in that city, police kidnapping people and taking them to black sites is a bit more of a relevant issue. Bring the drug trade above the table and you could have wealthy black owned corporations instead of gangs. You all believe in personal freedom and responsibility anyway. You have to select the filters you want to see. For race, choose black. For weapon, choose unarmed. See the percentage. Then do the same with white and unarmed. The statistics have actually changed. It's now 2% for blacks and 4% for whites. When black people commit crimes at the same rates as whites and the police are still disproportionately stopping black men we can say it's a race issue. For now, it's common sense. You police neighbourhoods with more crime more actively, and the neighbourhoods with the most crime are the neighbourhoods with the highest proportion of black people. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
But black people also account for over 50% of most violent crimes in the US. Disproportionate. The majority of people who open fire on police are black. Disproportionate. Black neighbourhoods are disproportionately dangerous to police while simultaneously requiring more active policing. Black gangster culture encourages hatred of the police, and violence towards police officers. It is very easy to see how these factors would result in a disproportionate number of black victims of police shootings without any requirement for racism. 3% of black victims of police shootings are unarmed. 3% of white victims of police shootings are unarmed. Proportionate. The only "fact" you gave any sources for are the 3%. And even there it shows that a higher percentage of black people were unarmed while being shot by the police. You didn't produce evidence for the other claims. Especially the bolded part. The rest are assumptions anyway. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 10 2016 16:22 GreenHorizons wrote: That doesn't show any of the statistics you said? Race is most definitely a part of this no matter how much people want to pretend it isn't. Yes, I remember how MLK Jr.'s peaceful protests worked so well he just got to stop and retire on all his civil rights money. One NYC video posted over and over represents all of BLM but KKK police chiefs, racist messages in departments across the country, the stopping of more young black men in NYC then there are young black men in NYC, etc... and it's just individual racists sure, but this isn't a race issue. Give me a break. While it is a tragedy, we aren't paying those gang members to protect the citizens in that city, police kidnapping people and taking them to black sites is a bit more of a relevant issue. Bring the drug trade above the table and you could have wealthy black owned corporations instead of gangs. You all believe in personal freedom and responsibility anyway. You are tunel visioning on the race issue. You let your emotions take over your reason too much and dont give other opinions proper credit. Some research also suggest that cops are more hesistant to shooting blacks ( m.washingtontimes.com ). Ive also never heard of any numbers that show the opossite picture of what some of us here suggest. You have all dismissed our sources of these numbers but you have not provided any numbers that favor your case. You actually dismiss them based on emotion and on a basis of dozen of videos where cops do indeed "missbehave" | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24455 Posts
On July 10 2016 16:31 bardtown wrote: You have to select the filters you want to see. For race, choose black. For weapon, choose unarmed. See the percentage. Then do the same with white and unarmed. The statistics have actually changed. It's now 2% for blacks and 4% for whites. When black people commit crimes at the same rates as whites and the police are still disproportionately stopping black men we can say it's a race issue. For now, it's common sense. You police neighbourhoods with more crime more actively, and the neighbourhoods with the most crime are the neighbourhoods with the highest proportion of black people. Again, you seem not to understand the relationship between policing and crime. If you put more police, looking for more crime, you find it. Doesn't matter where you put it. Otherwise you would think there is little or no cocaine in the Hollywood hills or other ridiculous things like that. What we need to do is 1. get cops to do their jobs 2. adopt a sensible drug policy 3. address the underlying motivations for crime, and we need to do it yesterday. EDIT: I said I was standing down for some other people to step up, I'm going to hold myself to that. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 10 2016 16:56 RolleMcKnolle wrote: The only "fact" you gave any sources for are the 3%. And even there it shows that a higher percentage of black people were unarmed while being shot by the police. You didn't produce evidence for the other claims. Especially the bolded part. The rest are assumptions anyway. Well the mayor of NY says the same thing as him. I posted a interview of him few pages back. Is he racist too? Do you think you are more informed than him on the issue? | ||
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